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"Only authenticated users
In my opinion, "Only authenticated users should be able to rate tabs" is needed. Bad net attitudes exist and only an authentication (or identification) can stop them.
Bad notes can ruin confidence, especially for new tabbers or members, isn't pity ?
But this authentication system can protect them, then protect their incipient talent & tabs, then protect gametabs.net himself, moreover I don't see inconveniences.
We already voted on
We already voted on this...
But, I have to disagree, there are plenty of authenticated users on this site who have bad net attitudes and give poor ratings for no good reason
true
Ah ok ! Now I understand why I didn't find somewhere a button to vote :)
In my last msg, I talked & though about "vote + comment", where the member in this case isn't anonymous, so he can be identified as abuser easyly / quikly.
But I didn't thought in the opposite case : when someone vote without comment, in this case u are right, abuses are possible because the bad voter is anonymous so the authentication is useless in this case.
Despite I never noticed it for my tabs, for others I believe of course this bad attitude was real (& will be without a change)
Avoid the "anonymous voting" can be a solution to fix it : all identity of the voters could be noted on the tab page. So the tabber could see the abuse, identify the abuser & then eventually report it
(random example : too much bad votes for differents tabs from the same voter)
It is probably easy to do for the web program. Big Work to do is find a pretty web design to display "identified lonely vote" & "commented vote" both. As I imagine, it seems not very easy to display these two kind of information mixed in the same page. But i must concede than I have really no design skill.. amazon produced a convenient one mixed display :
http://www.amazon.com/Nady-MPF-6-6-Inch-Microphone-Filter/product-review...
probably too complex for a tabs site , just take that as a nice source of inspiration
Hoping my english is understable :)
MY OPINION
In my opinion there should be 2 different Rating meters:
1) Given by a panel of defined users, call it "experts" or "experienced", that would rate tabs about the technical part like: quality of arrangement, how much is on the arrangement vs. playability, correct note transcriptions, and any other parameter to be defined. Also the "expert" can give some advice of how to improve the tab.
WHY?
This would help guests, or novices to get some info of what's the quality of the tab they are browsing, and also reward better quality material (not the most complex is necesary better but how does it complies what it should be.
This is a subjetive meter but the average rate of "experts" should give some idea of the quality.
2) Another rating for "popularity" that everybody (inclusive guests) could vote, so also users can get a trend of the most commented reviewed tabs, hot tabs, and whatnot..
(EDIT: the like feature wrote before is a good idea)
Hope you understand my English.
Greetings.
Agahnim
Display the amount of
Display the amount of comments beneath the rating! Then everyone can see if a tab is simply rated or suggestions and criticism are given.
And I like the idea of guests who can only like. Now we only need a classical and electrical section for top tabs.
Voted the last option. I
Voted the last option. I would prefer to not have ratings or likes or recommend, etc. Just comments
nice idea! (> 'o')><( ' o '
nice idea! (> 'o')><( ' o ' )^^( ' o ' )^^( ' o ' )><('o' <)
instead of stars there should
instead of stars there should be kirbys for the rating system.
Everything you say is genius.
Everything you say is genius.
(No subject)
Okay, but I'm too lazy to
Okay, but I'm too lazy to bow.
Option 4
I like this proposal. Although it would reduce the number of ratings, it will increase the number of comments. It may appear draconian to some, but I believe it will encourage useful feedback and greater user activity. I'm also in favour of auri's "guests can like" suggestion.
Nate and I would go for
Nate and I would go for "guests can like" and "likes only, no dislikes". Anyone have an opinion on that combo?
EDIT: Then we could sort duplicate tabs for the same song by number of likes.
EDITEDIT: I do kinda like stars, though... :-D
best option given so far, id
best option given so far, id vote in for this.
Seems to be fine, but what
Seems to be fine, but what happens to the old tabs?
We would most likely take old
We would most likely take old votes with a minimum of 3, 4, or 5 star ratings and convert those into "likes" or "recommendations". The actual number of stars required for that recommendation could be figured out later, but that's the general concept.
EDIT: Also, instead of a "Top 50 Rated Tabs", it would be a "Most Recommended Tabs" page.
Would be nice this way!
Would be nice this way!
Yes
Yes
Allowing guests to vote
Allowing guests to vote allows someone to upvote themselves infinite times does it not?
Also, in this manner they
Also, in this manner they would not be negatively affecting others' tabs. I don't agree with this type of behavior, and this system would allow it, but they wouldn't be able to use this to down-vote others... only to give themselves a false sense of accomplishment.
It is a sort of a compromise in my eyes. It also allows more people in general to recommend tabs.
If they keep changing IPs.
If they keep changing IPs. Lots of sites allow this sort of thing, and it's not usually a problem.
Well I was thinking that
Well I was thinking that since some tabs don't have a lot of votes anyways, say after we change the system and a tab has like 4 likes and some guy decides to tab the same song and upvote his tab 5 times just to have more people look at his tab, it would be a problem. We also have a top tabs section and I'm sure people would love to be up there. Just giving some thoughts...
People can also upvote through proxys
Hehe. I have no idea what
Hehe. I have no idea what would work for Top Tabs.
What if once a year, we had a top tabs of 2011 type deal, where members of the site could nominate their favorite tabs (a limited number per user, maybe), and then we vote, and we collect the top tabs for each year?
We could start off this year by nominating top tabs from all the tabs on the site, so we'd fill in each of the past years. Or maybe for past years, we just use the "top tabs" formula we have now to pick the best ones for each year.
I donno, just brainstorming!
Ratings are an integral part
Ratings are an integral part of the site. I don't personally find them very important. They are relatively arbitrary. However, that is just my opinion. Many other people don't feel that way.
I'm sure there is a happy medium somewhere, but finding it is the issue.
I may not like some of the rating changes proposed, but I can see why they have been proposed. I can agree with them in a sense of the word. I would not agree with getting rid of ratings completely.
They're a very subjective
They're a very subjective tool, but an integral one regardless lol, no matter how biased they seem , 90% of the time they do reflect the quality of the tab in my experience
StrangeJam saidThey're a
StrangeJam said
I mean, there are times on ultimate guitar where the highest rated tab isn't the best though. I usually glance through multiple tabs instead of just looking at one.
A lot of times people downrate for being drop D or being too hard or being an arrangement instead of a transcription or stupid shit like that, I dunno.
I suppose it averages out okay but I think people are overstating the usefulness of ratings. Popularity isn't necessarily a representation of quality. A lot of people smoke but that doesn't make it GOOD for you. Look at the shitty movies that sell out at the box office. I don't think saw 18 is the pinnacle of film-making.
And a lot of times that
And a lot of times that highest rated tab is still the least horrid one out of the bunch D:
And people downrating over reasons like that, really are the trolling minority, even if you get a bunch of low rating votes for shits and giggles over reasons like those, in the end the people who actually vote based on what they perceive regarding the accuracy and usefulness of the tab will overwhelm them. and personally I was just throwing some light at what seems to be a common misconception regarding ratings around here, I do now agree Registered users should be the ones being able to give out ratings, but that's a completely different issue than what I was talking about. and really, I don't think cigarettes or low budget horror films make a good analogy to tabs lol, because as I said the first line, usually, usually(And i'm giving to you the benefit of the doubt here, because I have yet to see a case where this doesn't apply), the highest rated/most popular tab(or tabs) is(or are) still the least horrid one(s) out of the bunch
If i'ts not that important,
If i'ts not that important, why do not get rid of it (in the comments, the guys can say what are they thoughts about the tab)?
Omnicide said If i'ts not
Omnicide said
I'd be for this (assuming you mean removing ratings entirely).
Ratings are entirely a vanity thing and serve no purpose other than stirring up drama and butthurt.
I get that people want recognition for their work but I think the actual comments people leave are more meaningful than the arbitrary number attached.
karathrow saidOmnicide
karathrow said
I strongly disagree here, ratings are very useful when there's multiple versions of a song floating around, I know a lot of people will just check the rating rather than checking the tab itself to see how accurate it is or not, tab ratings are not there to reward the tabber and recognize their work, they're guidelines to how accurate a tab is.
tl;dr getting rid of a vital feature such as ratings just because the current implementation isn't exactly working and some people have the wrong idea regarding what ratings are actually for is a terrible idea.
Edit: And Ash I thinkit migh tbe a good idea to list tab ratings the way ultimate-guitar does it, it's a lot more functional, albeit I guess that would imply rewriting the search engine. Example: http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/search.php?value=Ice+Cap+zone&search_type...
Jam, hold that thought.
Jam, hold that thought. Please submit this idea when I've got thd issue tracking system up and running. Otherwise I will just forget. That's a promise. I'm useless.
StrangeJam saidkarathrow
StrangeJam said
Then if some trolls vote a tab and make it looks bad(only 1 stars for example), people will think it is a bad tab before they see it
trolled or not ,votes do end
trolled or not ,votes do end up reflecting wether a tab is good or not, but that's something completely irrelevant to my post lol, I just find it funny how twisted the perception of ratings is for some people.
StrangeJam said tl;dr getting
StrangeJam said
Agreed.
karathrow saidOmnicide
karathrow said
"They're useful" EDIT: that auriplane said
"Ratings are entirely a vanity thing and serve no purpose "
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EDIT: forget, i thought it was auriplane comment too
true my viewpoint on it isnt
true
my viewpoint on it isnt recognition though, perhaps i should have stated that, even though recognition is nice
i see it as guests being mere bystanders, and they are the ones who look at our tabs most often, thus i feel they deserve to have more involvement; that being said, if the guests couldnt rate, but are given an opportunity to comment, thatd rest my personal case
i say the like option is the
i say the like option is the best, i honestly dont give a rats bare naked ass when it boils down, but a like system is something id be in for, hands down
Explaining: i voted the 1st
Explaining: i voted the 1st option because it apply to all tabs... the new system apllies only to the tabs that are here after it was implemented...
But my suggestion would be to make a new system that applies to all tabs or leave it without a system (only comments)...
I'd rather have an unfair
I'd rather have an unfair rating system than no rating system at all. They're useful, and the site would feel incomplete without them. And it's not like ratings are THAT important.
hmph in that case
hmph
in that case
when does the ballot close?
when does the ballot close?
wayfaerer said when does the
wayfaerer said
I doubt it will close as I don't think Ash is just going to automatically make changes based on most # of votes, he's just using it to get a feel for what people think.
Hey, that's not true! I will
Hey, that's not true! I will be paying serious attention to the voting...and if the vote doesn't go the way, I want, I'll just fix it! :D
Seriously though. There are too many different opinions on this and I kind of agree and disagree with elements of all of them so it doesn't really matter to me. I could either flip a coin or I could try and get an accurate feel for everyone's opinions. I'd rather do that. I have to say though...even though I'm not sure how much we're solving right now, it's awesome to see such a lively debate going on.
I agree that it is pretty
I agree that it is pretty awesome to see everyone so active. This poll/article/whatever already has 78 comments as of this writing, which is amazing.
i apologize in advance if
i apologize in advance if what i say here seems arrogant or rude, not intended to be...
but
i think we should all get our heads outta the sand, and stop trying to keep this community so bloody obscure; all the users here seem to be concerned only with what other users think, which is a little one-sided; its like adding someone on MSN or AIM for the sake of filling out a contact list.
as a previous argument stated, making this site a little broader in the way of allowing GUESTS (note the emphasis there) the right to feel a little more involved in the community and the site as a whole by giving them the right to vote.
this poll is, i think--save for a couple thread discussions--the only time the fucking picket signs have been brought out of the basement.
roses can be smelled, so lets all use our goddamn noses hm?
wayfaerer said i apologize in
wayfaerer said
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
If people are serious about contributing to the site they can bother to make an account, shit's not hard.
karathrow said If people are
karathrow said
Sure. They can, if they want. By and large, they won't. Even adding a single extra click to an online process causes a pretty large drop-off in how many users go through with it. Registration, of course, causes a larger one.
Not that that's necessarily a bad thing.
auriplane said karathrow
auriplane said
I mean, I guess I just don't understand. Why do people want anonymous users opinions/ratings so bad?
The only thing I can think of is like nate said the top tabs thing but if that's an issue maybe we can look at that separately instead of destroying the commenting system.
Yeah, I think Top Tabs would
Yeah, I think Top Tabs would need to be handled separately anyway. I don't honestly have a clue what to do with Top Tabs. I just think it needs fixing up.
I did change my vote to "registered users can rate", but I think the cool thing about guests voting would be the sheer number of ratings. I figure, the more ratings, the more likely the ratings reflect the feelings of the people looking at the tabs.
I'm sure my average rating would go down if guests could vote, but it'd probably be a more accurate reflection of what random users think.
"if given the choice between
"if given the choice between an apple and a banana, why not have both?"