lonlonjp tabs (serious question)

Lemoncobbler

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OH BOY HERE WE GO AGAIN

Lemoncobbler

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check your private messages~

surreal

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Sometimes you gotta wake up in the morning and stop sucking all that lonlon dick.

I kid, no I don't.

Puttynaut

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Would someone also explain to me the reason behind this?

Giogiogio4

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Hakoria

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You guys are too rude, all he wanted was an answer.
We don't actually know who's lonlonjp, you've been misled.

Kabukibear

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In all seriousness, because we have some respect for the creator of the tabs. He asked that his tabs not be posted because he's trying to make some extra cash with them, so we don't. It's as simple as that.

I'm curious why you don't think charging for tabs, if he's doing it legit, is ok? Arrangements don't just spring out of the ether, there is a lot of time and effort involved in them, why shouldn't he be compensated for his work?

Giogiogio4

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Kabukibear said

In all seriousness, because we have some respect for the creator of the tabs. He asked that his tabs not be posted because he's trying to make some extra cash with them, so we don't. It's as simple as that.

I'm curious why you don't think charging for tabs, if he's doing it legit, is ok? Arrangements don't just spring out of the ether, there is a lot of time and effort involved in them, why shouldn't he be compensated for his work?

Or the Fact that Every Tab on this site was NOT even tabbed out by him. You can't Claim rights to an Arrangement of a song you don't own, Nor can you claim rights to an arrangement of an arrangement. It's stupid and childish, He saw he could make money and went for it. if it wasn't so then I'm sure he would Not have Ads on his videos trying to bring in as much as possible.

So I guess Every band that Covers a Song is "Choking the music industry", Every Tab on here is "against the law" and so forth. I NEVER saw once Any composer complain about their music being arranged by fans for free. Because they Enjoy seeing their work being enjoyed by the masses.

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Kabukibear said

I'm curious why you don't think charging for tabs, if he's doing it legit, is ok? Arrangements don't just spring out of the ether, there is a lot of time and effort involved in them, why shouldn't he be compensated for his work?

I was always under the impression that usually the people who bitch about lonlon being an ass for trying to make a profit off his tabs never actually put in the effort to make their own arrangements or tried learning how to tab and just gave up instantly like, "OH THIS IS TOO DIFFICULT, I JUST NEED MY LONLONTABS FOREVER."

all jokes aside, I feel bad for people who can't tab or make their own arrangements, it must be shitty to be totally dependent on other people's tabs if you want to play a song.

also, implying I don't have a magical ether fountain up my ass and that's not where I get all my arrangements from

JPili

Joined: May 02 2011

I'm wondering. How do you learn to tab? I'm being serious (again) I want to learn but don't know how to start.

Hakoria

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^(not auri) Guitar + ears. Practice with simple melodies first instead of fingerstyle right away and you can simply take it one note at a time; fingerstyle is simply arranging both the melody and bass line at the same time in a playable fashion and whatever tuning makes it most practical, which is far more work depending on if it's originally on guitar or not.
Visual tabbing is easiest: just look at the person's hand and mimic.
Or do sheet music to tablatures.

JPili

Joined: May 02 2011

Hakoria, what was the first song you tabbed by ear?

JPili

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Ennea said

Ask the bear :d

http://www.gametabs.net/forum/topic/3402

Thanks :)

JPili

Joined: May 02 2011

Lemoncobbler said

PSH it wasn't even that long and you know it!

listen to auri and hakoria, this gives some helpful tips too.
http://www.gametabs.net/forum/topic/3402
edit: damnit ennea you beat me to it

lol thanks too

Hakoria said

Both synth lead and rhythm guitar. Had to slow down the slightly faster passages with audacity (like the short 1:23 descent).
Starting with melodies you already know very well is helpful too.

Hm... It's gonna be a while before I can tab this. I'll start practicing tomorrow! Thanks to all who gave me advice :)

I started guitar 2 years ago but only started to practice for real a few
weeks ago. I'm trying to learn music theory right now and now I also
want to learn how to tab. So much stuff to learn T-T

hslesperance

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Joined: Aug 10 2008

Can someone submit an article for me. For some reason I don't have that feature.

This is an tutorial I made about a year ago and still haven't posted. It covers how to transcribe, there are a few tips from auri too.

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This tutorial focuses on transcribing. For arranging, check Kabukibear's tutorial.

First thing is if you have headphones, definitely use them. It's just much clearer than speakers since the music is not traveling through the air.

Try to use an mp3 or some audio file. Most of the time mp3s are hard to find, but a lot of vgmusic is on youtube. Just put the url into this website http://www.mediaconverter.org/ and convert it into an mp3 to play on windows media player or something. This might seem like a minor point, but it is much easier to work with a song on wmp than youtube, becuase you can be more precise with the time scroller. Also you can slow down the song in wmp with ctr+shift+s and ctr+shift+n to go back to normal speed. This is useful for fast parts of a melody, but it also makes it harder to hear due to background noise. You should really only be using this for fast parts, not the whole song, especially if you are trying to figure out the rhythm.

Start out making tabs with just the melody. When I first started making tabs I think I might have let the song play one note, pause, figure out that note, write it down, and then do the same with each note. Do not do this. Before even beginning to make a tab, just listen to the song two or three times until you can memorize and play the melody in your head. Break it down into overlapping pieces, learn to play these pieces, then combine them together into larger pieces, and then into a whole. Once you can play the whole song, even if you can only play it really slowly, you'll know how the pieces fit together, and you'll (hopefully) have the most natural way of playing it. At this point, it should be committed to memory, so you can start writing it down.

You don't have to work that way, of course. If it's really complex, sometimes I have trouble fitting it all in my head without writing it down, and I break it down by sections instead, writing down each section as I go. You can break stuff down as much as you need to. Just make sure the sections ALWAYS overlap, because the hand movement between parts is just as important as the notes.

It might be a good idea to figure out what key you are in before trying to play the melody on guitar. Most of the notes should be non-accidental notes in that key. Remember that most melodies do not make big leaps between notes. From one note to the next might only be one, two, or three notes up the scale.

Pay attention to what direction the note is moving. Sometimes a tabber might figure out a melody one note at a time and put one note an octave too high or low. This is why you have to pay attention to the structure and movement of the melody (melodic contour). If one note plays and the following note sounds higher, then you obviously move up.

When transcribing for guitar, don't put all the notes on one string. A lot of people, when making their first tab, think it is easier to play a song with all the notes on the high e string. But that actually makes it more difficult, having to move up and down the neck. Try to minimize movement along the fretboard. You have six strings; use them!

A note on fast melodies: You should not be tackling a song with a very fast melody or even part of a melody is you are a beginner. But, one way to approach this might be to figure out the first note, then the last note of a certain phrase. Then count with you fingers while listening to the song how many notes play. From there, just fill in everything in between. With guitar songs such as a metal piece with shredding might sound difficult when listening, but often the guitarist is just playing a scale upwards or downwards very fast.

After you've written it down, listen to the whole thing, mentally reading along with it. This is the best way to make sure you didn't add any notes. Then play through the whole thing to check it. If you are making a tab with a program such as guitarpro,powertab, or tuxguitar, try playing the midi you made trough the program and the mp3 of the original song at the same time. Once you have the tempo and rhythm set, listen to make sure the notes match up.

Harmony and bass might be trickier to figure out, so stay away from those until you are able to transcribe melodies easily. After a while you should be able to pick apart the different sections of a song.

One thing to note, especially when transcribing bass: you don't just identify notes by their fundamental frequencies (which you don't even always hear), but by their harmonics. Your ear is also better at recognizing non-bass frequencies, and even ignoring that, bass frequencies are less precise by nature (uncertainty principle).
So!
If you're transcribing bass, you should make sure the tone is turned up on your instrument! Transcribing is not the time to try to make your instrument sound cool. You need to be able to hear your own notes accurately to tell if they're fitting the song you're playing along with.

For making an arrangement I generally just figure out the melody, the way described above, and then add bass or harmony from the source. And if the fingering doesn't work out you just have to make you own bass/harmonies that don't really sound like the original. Make sure you can easily reach both both the melody and bass. If you have a tab program you can easily fool around with the frets, moving up or down to make easy fingerings.

Some additional stuff:

Obviously, make sure your instrument is in tune, intonated, not too loud, not too quiet, tone isn't rolled off.

If the song actually has a guitar in it, try to listen closely for hammer-ons, pull-offs,slides,bends,etc. Though these might be difficult to differentiate, so just try your best to match the song.

Consider learning music theory to understand chord structure. It's too complex for me to discuss here and I'm no expert on it.

The most common tab programs are guitarpro, powertab, and tuxguitar. If you want guitarpro (the only non-free one) then get version 5, not gp6. I prefer the way it exports text files.

And of course, getting good at transcribing takes practice and time. It only gets easier.

auriplane

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http://www.gametabs.net/article/how-to-transcribe-stuff-tutorial-by-hsle...

Kabukibear

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Giogiogio4 said

Or the Fact that Every Tab on this site was NOT even tabbed out by him. You can't Claim rights to an Arrangement of a song you don't own, Nor can you claim rights to an arrangement of an arrangement. It's stupid and childish, He saw he could make money and went for it. if it wasn't so then I'm sure he would Not have Ads on his videos trying to bring in as much as possible.

So I guess Every band that Covers a Song is "Choking the music industry", Every Tab on here is "against the law" and so forth. I NEVER saw once Any composer complain about their music being arranged by fans for free. Because they Enjoy seeing their work being enjoyed by the masses.

You're right, you can't claim the rights to an arrangement of a song you don't own. If you get permission from the copyright holder, then the arrangement belongs to you. If you don't, then the arrangement belongs to the original copyright holder. Either way, they don't belong to YOU, they're not fair game to the public. So right of the bat, check it, you're arguing out of emotion and not out of logic or the law.

To answer your question, YES, every tab on here is "technically," illegal. If the copyright holder for their music decided they wanted their tabs gone, they would be gone. If a representative from Nintendo decided they were sick of this shit, and sent a C&D letter to gametabs, the whole nintendo section would be gone. They are on solid legal ground, they have two book published of Mario and LoZ arrangements.

I still don't see what your issue is for LonLon making money. If he's sharing it with the composers, he's gotten permission to arrange from them. Even if he hadn't though, they are HIS arrangements, who the fuck are you? I asked people not to post my arrangements on ultimate-guitar because I wanted to keep them here. I don't OWN any of these arrangements, but I got wind that they were being posted there and I asked those that were to stop and they stopped. Why? Because there is an unspoken bit of respect back and forth between arrangers and those that they arrange for. I am arranging this music for both of our enjoyment. If I don't want it written down, then don't fucking write it down! Luckily, for you, I don't mind writing out all my arrangements and sharing them, but fuck me if I have to or are required to. I just do it because I'm a nice guy, but show a little respect! You want to talk childish and stupid, it's crying about not getting your way when we're all doing it out of props for a guy who had been putting out videos for years now, with no monetary compensation, just love of the music, love of performing. He was kind of iffy about having people tab his arrangements out in the first place, but now he's trying to make a living from it and doesn't want them tabbed at all. Good for him! If I could make a living selling arrangements of music I would too! I don't see a solid argument AGAINST him making money off his tabs, other than you boo-hooing that he shouldn't because you just kind of decided that he shouldn't. Yeah, he's selling his tabs... and he's got ads on his videos. God forbid he make any money because music, like, man, should be, like, free and stuff.

Grow up.

JPili

Joined: May 02 2011

Kabuki? Why don't you want your tabs on UG? Don't you think it'll get more attention if it's posted there?

Kabukibear

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JPili said

Kabuki? Why don't you want your tabs on UG? Don't you think it'll get more attention if it's posted there?

Sure, but I am loyal to the GT crew and community.

musenji

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Kabukibear said

Grow up.

I am Sassy Musenji, knighted by Lemoncobbler, and I approve this message.

JPili

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Kabukibear said

JPili said

Kabuki? Why don't you want your tabs on UG? Don't you think it'll get more attention if it's posted there?

Sure, but I am loyal to the GT crew and community.

Ah, your honor. I respect that. But GameTabs really needs to advertise more. They should buy an ad on UlimateGuitar.

BigHeadClan said

The people who look for game music on ultimate only really look for the big titles, Mario, Zelda and their respective composers. The less known titles are often shoved in the horrible "Misc Computer games section" that makes searching difficult.

So even if a lot of the tabs where to go on Ultimate guitar very few would probably get hits, gametabs has way more anime/game related content anyhow.

Searching difficult? All you do is type in the name of a song and it pops up. I'm sure there aren't a lot of songs that have the exact same name. Yeah there are some but it's not common.

JPili

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Hakoria said

^If fate wants it, you will find gametabs or it will find you, without ads.

I guess fate's a b**** then cause fate's saying that this place should be unpopular. :(

Hakoria

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JPili said

Hakoria said

^If fate wants it, you will find gametabs or it will find you, without ads.

I guess fate's a b**** then cause fate's saying that this place should be unpopular. :(

Biggest majority of gametabs users don't post on the forums nor use IRC actually >: (or so I believe) Just like how I never bothered to check such places on UG/etc back in the days, only used the site for tabs.

JPili

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Hakoria said

JPili said

Hakoria said

^If fate wants it, you will find gametabs or it will find you, without ads.

I guess fate's a b**** then cause fate's saying that this place should be unpopular. :(

Biggest majority of gametabs users don't post on the forums nor use IRC actually >: (or so I believe) Just like how I never bothered to check such places on UG/etc back in the days, only used the site for tabs.

I was talking about the people who view tabs. Not use the forums. Compared to UG, this place is like a wasteland. Which sucks cause there are some awesome tabs here.

Jacob31593

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Joined: Jan 04 2009

This site is the first to pop up on search engines in most cases when tabs for a specific vg song are looked up, bollox to advertising

There a re a billion guests browsing the site at any given time anyway