who the fuck reads youtube
SalemJeanette
Save Your Tears. Location: Popular Land. Joined: Jul 03 2009 |
who the fuck reads youtube comments? :/
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Little J. |
Re: who the fuck reads youtube
StrangeJam
Da Manliness Joined: Aug 23 2009 |
I thought u dead :< |
^thumbs up if you agree? I
mrdukuntogel
Joined: Sep 06 2010 |
^thumbs up if you agree? I think lonlonjp just doesn't quite understand the context of this website, and from what I see from the link, that someone's comment is quite ambiguous, showcasing ???
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ha |
Re: who the fuck reads youtube
SalemJeanette
Save Your Tears. Location: Popular Land. Joined: Jul 03 2009 |
StrangeJam said
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Little J. |
Re: lonlonjp's opinion regarding gametabs
Frogma
Joined: Jun 25 2008 |
Lonlonjp said
I think something got mixed up in translation. I seem to recall both lonlonjp directing someone here in one of his youtube comments, and one of the tabbers here getting permission from lonlon to tab his stuff. Also, it should be noted that lonlonjp doesn't sell or even write his own tabs. Furthermore, I would hazard that the profit to musicians derived from tablature sales would make up less than 0.1% of the money they make in total (i.e. from selling music or performing) so the "choking the music industry" comment seems unreasonable when you compare it to all the pirating going on. Additionally this is video game music so the composers have already been paid to write it, anything following on from it will be a pretty niche market of fanboy's i.e. probably pretty insignificant in the grand scheme. Perhaps he meant the copyright dicks are choking the music industry with their attempt to remove any hype generated from fans trying to revive the music in new and interesting ways i.e. what lonlonjp is doing.
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"Frogma is not a communist! He may be a liar, a pig, an idiot, a communist, but he is not a porn star!" |
He looks less friendly to me
hashel
Location: Liège (Belgium) Joined: Mar 04 2008 |
He looks less friendly to me now =X
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I do VGM covers and stuff at https://www.youtube.com/c/hashel |
why did he post tuning, capo
Max_depa
Location: Italy Joined: Feb 11 2010 |
why did he post tuning, capo and difficulty if he didn't want us to figure out the tab? o.o |
He post it so you can figure
SalemJeanette
Save Your Tears. Location: Popular Land. Joined: Jul 03 2009 |
He post it so you can figure out how to play it but not to post the tabs, he does all that for you and all of you faggots are hurting lonlon-sama's feelings ;.;
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Little J. |
Piracy is a great scapegoat
surreal
Eric: tank,godlike Location: Arizona Joined: Jan 04 2009 |
Piracy is a great scapegoat for the music industry to continue to do what it does best. Though I have to say it is unavoidable, the recent advances of technology and communication have just allowed it to be easier. Sure there's laws, they can't really be enforced, and if they ever can be, they'll be circumvented. Though it's almost asinine to try and hold claim over individual interpretations on this site, you'd think coming from an age where the only way to learn a song was to listen to it and pick it up by ear, more labeled musicians would be for sites like this. Books and packages are merely marketing schemes put in place by music labels these days. Last time I checked we haven't accepted any tablature that's been taken out from these materials all the same. If an effort should ever be made to shut down this site and succeed, pass me a backup of all the files. I'll happily make sure it keeps in circulation. \\ Also, if lonlonjp doesn't want his tabs distributed, he should fucking mention it more. |
lonlonjp confirmed for
RexLeRouge
IMPACTO Joined: Aug 15 2008 |
lonlonjp confirmed for douchecanoe award |
it doesn't matter
lognar
Joined: Apr 03 2010 |
lonlonjp just doesn't like it when the tabs are innaccurate, i remember him commenting that there's a site that has his songs tabbed but he says the tabs usually have mistakes. also, we're all going to die eventually so it really doesn't matter who didn't pay money to learn how to play some songs on guitar. there are so much worse things going on in this world than "music theft" |
Yeah I was the one who
karathrow
Joined: Oct 26 2010 |
Yeah I was the one who stumbled upon it. Was practicing Lognar's tab of Frontier Village Dali (which is the vid with the comment on it). I really don't think he's mixed up via translation. I'm sure he likes us well enough but that doesn't stop him from thinking what he thinks. I really don't understand the harm, but maybe I'm just naive. Do songbooks incorporate a large portion of profit from musicians? Moreso than royalties or album sales or whatever? It just seems like an odd thing to be stingy over. Are tabs considered piracy? I mean all of us are fans who learned about this music because we (probably) paid money to obtain these games and are devoted fans. We put all this time and effort into tabbing and listening and learning these songs are we really the bad guys here? Just seems odd to me. Lonlon's a great musician and I have respect for everything he does, but I wish he wouldn't be so narrow minded about this. |
So . . . Gametabs is killing
Pasto
Eat your Pasta ! ! ! Joined: Mar 25 2009 |
So . . .
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"Pasta Is Good For You" - The Pasta Guy |
>tabs lol scrubs
SalemJeanette
Save Your Tears. Location: Popular Land. Joined: Jul 03 2009 |
>tabs
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Little J. |
I really can't imagine that
TrangOul
Insomaniac Location: Germany Joined: Feb 24 2008 |
I really can't imagine that we're breaking any laws here. Hell, I can't even imagine gametabs.net is doing the music industry any harm at all. |
This is interesting.
natenmn
I haven't had a chance to trim my hedges recently. Thanks for visiting anyway... Location: United States Joined: Jul 17 2009 |
This is interesting. However, I think it would make a better argument if there was a loss of money or some damages somewhere caused by video game tab sites. Obviously, tabs transcribed from ordinary Youtube guitarists aren't losing their respective arrangers any money, so these transcriptions aren't really an issue. The only thing I can think of that could cause potential damages are official tabs that are being given out for free on the internet. Because Gametabs does not allow official/commercial tabs (unless posted accidentally) on the website, we only contribute to the issue indirectly. This indirect contribution is in the same manner that lonlonjp contributes to the issue, and that is by creating competition for official tabs by offering free versions of our own. Also, lonlonjp DOES have his own tabs created by him that are freely distributed on the internet. Even though these tabs are from his own original arrangements, they would violate copyright against the original composer/company the same way that any tab on Gametabs does if permission is not given. With all that in mind, I've always said that I'll take down any and all of my lonlonjp transcriptions if he requests it. |
Re: >tabs lol scrubs
Hakoria
Laon King Location: gmt+1 Joined: Apr 03 2011 |
SalemJeanette said
lol salem |
Come on people, he's Japanese
kanshiketsu89
Anime Clef Joined: Aug 13 2010 |
Come on people, he's Japanese after all. It's only natural for him to be bothered with all kinds of regulations and rules. XD I'm gonna keep on tabbing no matter what he says. And he's gonna keep on being my hero no matter what. |
Re: >tabs lol scrubs
SalemJeanette
Save Your Tears. Location: Popular Land. Joined: Jul 03 2009 |
Hakoria said
lol laon
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Re: >tabs lol scrubs
Hakoria
Laon King Location: gmt+1 Joined: Apr 03 2011 |
SalemJeanette said
I missed you so much. lonlonjp's quite a joke I have to say. Who the fuck does he take himself for? "I play the song, and you DARE tab it although you make NO PROFIT and even GIVE CREDIT TO ME for the arrange" ? He needs a smack or two for acting like such a fucking bitch. And an asian bitch at that, doesn't even manage to make me chuckle now. You don't see Paul Gilbert crying like a sissy because someone tabs out a solo of his. In what ways does a musician lose anything for having fans put down your work on paper? You do more damage to the world by walking on an ant than by tabbing a song, wtf. Lon should beef the fuck up or shut the fuck up. |
This topic just got laon'd
StrangeJam
Da Manliness Joined: Aug 23 2009 |
This topic just got laon'd |
ITT: Air out your beef with
TrangOul
Insomaniac Location: Germany Joined: Feb 24 2008 |
ITT: Air out your beef with lonlonjp |
It's just the weird and wacky
Kabukibear
Happy Strumming! Location: Palm Beach Gardens, Florida Joined: Mar 22 2007 |
It's just the weird and wacky world of copyright law. You cannot arrange, transcribe, modify, fuck, or do any other thing to the work of someone else without their permission. This goes for transcriptions, compositions, or arrangements even if they are arrangements of someone elses work. This even applies if the arrangement you want to transcribe doesn't have the permission of the copyright holder, because you're no longer transcribing the work of the original holder, you're transcribing the work of the arranger. For example, if I arrange a piece from Final Fantasy without the permission of Square-Enix, I have committed copyright infringement. However, the arrangement, while an infringement of Square-Enix's copyright still belongs to me and no one else has the right to take that arrangement and do anything with it unless I give permission. Doing so commits copyright infringement against me, regardless of whether or not I have committed an infringement against anyone else. Fun stuff isn't it? It's easier just to give credit where it is due, and respect the wishes of the various sources you use. |
Re: lonlonjp confirmed for
BacardiBreezer
My life is a chip in your pile. Ante up! Location: NE Ohio Joined: Aug 16 2010 |
RexLeRouge said
I wouldn't go THAT far. Everyone has different opinions on things, and perhaps it's due to his culture vs ours that we believe it's more acceptable. He doesn't have to be a member here, and it would be unfortunate if he shunned all of the members...but what can ya do? We all have a love for video game music and the guitar. Seems kind of rare, we should be embracing each other not ripping the community asunder. |
Re: It's just the weird and wacky
smiley
shadock number zo zo bu zo meu ga Location: Laputa Joined: Jul 04 2008 |
Kabukibear said
Wut. Damn copyright! |
Re: ITT: Air out your beef with
BacardiBreezer
My life is a chip in your pile. Ante up! Location: NE Ohio Joined: Aug 16 2010 |
TrangOul said
Shit's old news. Hondatech had a spin-off thread extravaganza the past 2 days that I had a lot to do with. |
Re: lonlonjp confirmed for
RexLeRouge
IMPACTO Joined: Aug 15 2008 |
BacardiBreezer said
Bacardi, I'm a pretty respectful guy and I don't like to shit on people for free. BacardiBreezer said
Fuck yeah. That's why he's a dumbass. He's acting superior and shit |
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SalemJeanette
Save Your Tears. Location: Popular Land. Joined: Jul 03 2009 |
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I'd like to point out that
natenmn
I haven't had a chance to trim my hedges recently. Thanks for visiting anyway... Location: United States Joined: Jul 17 2009 |
I'd like to point out that while there is an inherent copyright law when something is created, I'm pretty sure that doesn't apply to anything on this site or from Youtube covers due to that fact that it was all made without permission from the original copyright holder. Although I could be wrong, as I don't remember copyright laws as well as I used to, I think that inherent copyright is nullified when original copyright is infringed upon. If the above really is the case, then all arrangements/transcriptions are not inherently copyrighted to the arranger/transcriber unless given expressed permission by the original composer/copyright holder. My arrangements would not copyrighted to me and lonlonjp's would not be copyrighted to him. Fair use and a few other things make this whole thing a bit hazy, though. |
he hates our freedom
BluePhoenix
give me a dollar Location: Earth, Universe A Joined: Jan 21 2008 |
he hates our freedom |
Of all the things to bitch
karathrow
Joined: Oct 26 2010 |
Of all the things to bitch about in this world. Rapists and murderers, wars and famine but no people get white knighty over someone tabbing music. Stupid. |
Re: Of all the things to bitch
natenmn
I haven't had a chance to trim my hedges recently. Thanks for visiting anyway... Location: United States Joined: Jul 17 2009 |
karathrow said
Or, you know... they could be doing that, in addition to this, somewhere more appropriate to voice their opinion about such a topic than a video game tablature forum. XD |
Re: Of all the things to bitch
karathrow
Joined: Oct 26 2010 |
natenmn said
I guess I just simply do not care was the better way to put it. If I'm supposed to feel guilty about it with all the bad shit that happens in this world, then don't hold your breath. I'm certainly not losing sleep over it. Can't imagine anyone that is. |
I really think he's wrong.
BacardiBreezer
My life is a chip in your pile. Ante up! Location: NE Ohio Joined: Aug 16 2010 |
I really think he's wrong. From what I gather, and the immense amount of Japanese game song covers I have, it must not be a problem even over there. People make albums and post songs on their blog/sites in Japan like it's nobody's business, sort of like OC Remix but there is WAY more interest on that side of the pond. Again I don't think he's intentionally being a "douchebag" but it's sort of like religious people, they are firmly set in their ways and just about nothing you can say will convince them otherwise. |
http://www.gametabs.net/forum
SalemJeanette
Save Your Tears. Location: Popular Land. Joined: Jul 03 2009 |
http://www.gametabs.net/forum/topic/12362
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Re: Come on people, he's Japanese
lognar
Joined: Apr 03 2010 |
kanshiketsu89 said
yessss haha karathrow said
my thoughts exactly. there's so many things that humans do that piss me off, and sharing music is definitely not one of them. our evil United States politics are destroying families, keeping people poor and helpless, chocking the resources out of foreign countries, raising thousands of animals in cages to be slaughtered and eaten, feeding us their meat and dairy that will give us heart problems and kill us faster while they try to keep us distracted from the real issues and expand our military alllll around the world so they can control the business of war for our military industrial complex also like surreal said, it really doesn't matter for gametabs. nothings going to happen but when a site like this closes another one shall open up, so bring it on square-enix ! or whatever the fuck they are now also lonlonjp has distributed his own tabs soo if he's really against it he's a total hypocrite, but i still love him :P and hey karathrow we're both from portland :] |
Re: Come on people, he's Japanese
BacardiBreezer
My life is a chip in your pile. Ante up! Location: NE Ohio Joined: Aug 16 2010 |
lognar said
*facepalm* We get your point and all, and I agree there are more important issues - but like Nate said, this IS a game music tab site, and this topic is relevant. I am sure 1000000 other things come out of his mouth on the daily, but have nothing to do with video game music. |
Re: Come on people, he's Japanese
Frogma
Joined: Jun 25 2008 |
lognar said And when kids are skating on the sidewalks! That really gets my goat!
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"Frogma is not a communist! He may be a liar, a pig, an idiot, a communist, but he is not a porn star!" |
Re: Come on people, he's Japanese
lognar
Joined: Apr 03 2010 |
well i'm sorry if i ruined the spirit of this thread by going off-topic but i'd rather talk about things that matter than things that don't. |
Re: Come on people, he's Japanese
BacardiBreezer
My life is a chip in your pile. Ante up! Location: NE Ohio Joined: Aug 16 2010 |
lognar said
It's all subjective... Even if you bitched about all that other stuff, what is it going to do? History proves complaining about things does NOTHING...if only to lower the positivity of the atmosphere. |
if theres one thing i learned
Jacob31593
Location: Tampa, FL Joined: Jan 04 2009 |
if theres one thing i learned from college, its that all you have to do to completely copy someone else's work is properly cite your sources in an official and accepted format |
Re: if theres one thing i learned
BacardiBreezer
My life is a chip in your pile. Ante up! Location: NE Ohio Joined: Aug 16 2010 |
Jacob31593 said
Herp and derp |
Re: Come on people, he's Japanese
lognar
Joined: Apr 03 2010 |
Ya you're right my forum post won't solve the world's problems, but my "bitching" might encourage people to think differently and when they're in a situation where they can make a difference, it may encourage them to take action. For example, switching from a diet of meat and cheese to vegetables and whole grain. |
lognar saidwell i'm sorry if
natenmn
I haven't had a chance to trim my hedges recently. Thanks for visiting anyway... Location: United States Joined: Jul 17 2009 |
lognar said
Considering that what matters to each individual is completely subjective, I think that this argument is a little shortsighted. After all, you'd be a little hypocritical for preaching what you just did and then reaching for the guitar any time soon... unless you plan on playing a lullaby for child soldiers in Africa so that they can sleep better at night after all their trauma. XD This "doesn't matter" attitude can be applied to every single thing on this website. However, I can discuss less important topics while still taking other ones much more seriously. |
Military industrial complex
surreal
Eric: tank,godlike Location: Arizona Joined: Jan 04 2009 |
Military industrial complex is a pretty cool guy, doesn't afraid of anything. This thread is now about people who are alpha as fuck. |
fuck yeah cold war
Jacob31593
Location: Tampa, FL Joined: Jan 04 2009 |
fuck yeah cold war |
another day, another
StrangeJam
Da Manliness Joined: Aug 23 2009 |
another day, another achievement |
Re: Military industrial complex
BacardiBreezer
My life is a chip in your pile. Ante up! Location: NE Ohio Joined: Aug 16 2010 |
surreal said
Aren't there enough threads about me already? XD |
StrangeJam
Da Manliness
Joined: Aug 23 2009
So someone showed me on IRC something which I found amusing and perhaps something of interest to spark some talk here, just a little "debate" thread if you may.
basically someone tells lonlon people tab his arranges and post them here, and then he answers the following regarding the site and those who tab his stuff.
Quoting lonlonjp off the following video( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPeeZBhrbBk ):
Personally,I think it is interesting he goes on to mention gametabs is choking the industry by tabbing stuff without written permission from companies, surely lonlon had written permission to arrange songs from videogames and anime, even if they are HIS arranges, the intellectual property isn't his own imho. I just fail to see what his point is I guess lol, he's disapproving of the site over the stuff which he does himself pretty much, of course if somehow i'm wrong and he DOES have this "prior consent" from publishers to arrange their property then I stand correct on my views.
but that's unlikely, don't you think?
Anyways I just thought this could be an interesting thread after Jacob and BluePhoenix showed the stuff to me, and hearing their and plane's opinion lol, tabs have ALWAYS been a grey area thing, and recently a completely legal-oriented issue with the actions of the MPA against tab sites, which in turn helped to create the monopoly ultimate-guitar holds when it comes to tabs,discuss.