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Tune Contest #4 - Miniature Sonata

musenji

Joined: Feb 02 2010

Here's the theme (or rather, the structure):

Miniature sonata-style. 3 separate movements, at least 30 seconds each:

1. fast
2. slow
3. fast

All on one track, with a little space between movements.

There are no limitations on the style, though ideally the movements should transition well into each other.

Standard deal with the deadline--it is not locked! We'll see how things go.

[2/15/11 edit] If you're just starting now, scroll down through this page to find my answers to questions that have been posed. Look for the little yellow chocobo. :-)

Okayyy...

hashel

Location: Liège (Belgium)

Joined: Mar 04 2008

Okayyy...

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I do VGM covers and stuff at https://www.youtube.com/c/hashel

Sonatina!

auriplane

Joined: Sep 06 2008

Sonatina!

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Auriplane!!

nice theme, bound to net some

xuwawa

god of empty NES

Location: san antonio -ish

Joined: Apr 22 2009

nice theme, bound to net some interesting submissions!
...and at least it's not a fugue :P

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can it have more than 3

Jacob31593

Location: Tampa, FL

Joined: Jan 04 2009

does it have to be mini

forgive my ingnorance, could

hashel

Location: Liège (Belgium)

Joined: Mar 04 2008

forgive my ingnorance, could you explain me what's really a "Sonata" ? =X

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I do VGM covers and stuff at https://www.youtube.com/c/hashel

Re: forgive my ingnorance, could

amz181

Joined: Oct 07 2008

hashel said

forgive my ingnorance, could you explain me what's really a "Sonata" ? =X

Sonata's actually have quite a broad meaning. Sonata's generally are made up of several movements, or can be used to name the first movement in something like a symphony.

In this context however, i think he just wants a piece that consists of three movements, which he has helpfully included criteria for.

Thanks amz191 =)

hashel

Location: Liège (Belgium)

Joined: Mar 04 2008

Thanks amz191 =)

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I do VGM covers and stuff at https://www.youtube.com/c/hashel

amz181 >:( no problem. I'll

amz181

Joined: Oct 07 2008

amz181 >:(

no problem.
I'll probably have a go at this one, but i'll be using a crappy mic again (my guitar ink hasnt arrived yet :'( )

Alright, let's do this

Joined: Dec 31 1969

Alright, let's do this thing!!!

Wait... can it be tuxguitar?

So would that mean the ending

zen03y

CATFOOD

Location: Lynn, MA

Joined: Jun 20 2009

So would that mean the ending theme from Grave of the Fireflies is a sonata?

sonatinas are cuuuute.

Kabukibear

Happy Strumming!

Location: Palm Beach Gardens, Florida

Joined: Mar 22 2007

sonatinas are cuuuute.

Re: Sonatina!

RexLeRouge

IMPACTO

Joined: Aug 15 2008

auriplane said

Sonatina!

Snailata [email protected]_v

Re: Alright, let's do this

xuwawa

god of empty NES

Location: san antonio -ish

Joined: Apr 22 2009

Link Strife07 said

Alright, let's do this thing!!!

Wait... can it be tuxguitar?

he didn't specify not to, so since the past contests accepted midi, i'm assuming yeah.

**disclaimer: this is me making sense of wikipedia's articles on sonatas**
also, (correct me if i'm wrong or if you preferred it not so specific) sonatas are for one or two instruments usually, as opposed to symphonies which are full orchestra works. typically piano or guitar if just one instrument, or violin/cello with a piano for two or three instruments.
basically just less than full orchestration (although some sonatas have been arranged afterwards for orchestras, it's my understanding that those sonatas were arranged into symphonies).
as for the three sections, they would be the exposition, where the tonic is established, then modulated usually to the V, and usually the "theme" (be it melodic, rhythmic, or chordal) is set.
2nd is development where you play around with the themes and ideas from the exposition, restating them in altered forms and contexts.
3rd is recapitulation, where you affirm the tonic, restate the themes, and come to an end.

also, i had a mango sonatini that was dee-lish!

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Oh, ok then I will use

Joined: Dec 31 1969

Oh, ok then I will use tuxguitar.

you could use sticks and

StrangeJam

Da Manliness

Joined: Aug 23 2009

you could use sticks and stones and still win.

Re: you could use sticks and

xuwawa

god of empty NES

Location: san antonio -ish

Joined: Apr 22 2009

StrangeJam said

you could use sticks and stones and still win.

are you suggesting we threaten to break musenji's bones in order to secure victory? ;P

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Well...

Geist

Joined: Jan 04 2011

Here goes nothing...This the first song I have tried to write. Don't know much about music or
sonatas either, but here is my submission.

Endeavor

I had it converted to an MP3, but the site would not allow me to upload it.

Right on the money amz181,

musenji

Joined: Feb 02 2010

Right on the money amz181, this definitely isn't an assignment to create a "proper" sonata or sonatina. Use of the term was more symbolic.

Jacob, it doesn't have to be "mini"--I just wanted to make sure people knew I wasn't suddenly upping the length requirement from 1 minute to some huge amount. If you want bigger movements, go for it.

xuwawa, the thing with "exposition, development, recapitulation" is actually "sonata-allegro" form and refers only to the first movement of a full-blown sonata (or symphony). I'm not expecting that here. :D

I'm rolling with precedent for this competition. Precedent says that it's fine to submit MIDI, and it's also okay to submit something you wrote previously, if it works for the theme. (Or to take something you already wrote and make that just part of the final piece.)

Any more questions, I'm happy to answer!

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And then I realized that the chord progression from Chrono Cross's Another World is the same progression as the chorus from Peace of Mind by Boston, and life was never quite the same.

^ That sounds SOOO

zen03y

CATFOOD

Location: Lynn, MA

Joined: Jun 20 2009

^ That sounds SOOO RPG/Story/SNES-ish :D

I'll try to enter! I'm

auriplane

Joined: Sep 06 2008

I'll try to enter! I'm hoping to write a lot more music than this before the deadline though, because my friend's game is in beta now, and I need to write some music for it :-)

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Auriplane!!

Re: amz181 >:( no problem. I'll

Frogma

Joined: Jun 25 2008

amz181 said

amz181 >:(

no problem.
I'll probably have a go at this one, but i'll be using a crappy mic again (my guitar ink hasnt arrived yet :'( )

Guitar ink? Hah!

continue...

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"Frogma is not a communist! He may be a liar, a pig, an idiot, a communist, but he is not a porn star!"

I want to hear more entries

jit

Joined: Mar 04 2009

I want to hear more entries :D

The 3 parts don't have to be the same exact length right?

Definitely! As long as

musenji

Joined: Feb 02 2010

Definitely! As long as they're all more than 30 seconds they can be any length you want.

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And then I realized that the chord progression from Chrono Cross's Another World is the same progression as the chorus from Peace of Mind by Boston, and life was never quite the same.

ok last question, the last

jit

Joined: Mar 04 2009

ok last question, the last fast part can be a recurring theme(with differences obviously) of the first part right? If that's the case, I'm basically done besides a few tweaks I'm gonna do tonight and it should be ready by tomorrow

Metal Sonata.

StrangeJam

Da Manliness

Joined: Aug 23 2009

Metal Sonata.

jit, actually the third

musenji

Joined: Feb 02 2010

jit, actually the third movement should be pretty different from the first. If you're going to use the melody (or a version of the melody) from the first it should have a very different texture/feel.

Basically what you want to avoid is the track sounding like "A, B, A again". I'm sorry that I didn't specify that when I asked for "fast-slow-fast".

But! There are still 4 days to go, and the option of extension for anyone who needs more time. I'm in no rush on this one.

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And then I realized that the chord progression from Chrono Cross's Another World is the same progression as the chorus from Peace of Mind by Boston, and life was never quite the same.

separate movements, time

jit

Joined: Mar 04 2009

separate movements, time changes, theme changes... DAMN bro, we aren't mozart lol. ha, i like the challenge, but i would edit your top post to clarify exactly what you want in our pieces.

Good idea re: editing. I

auriplane

Joined: Sep 06 2008

Good idea re: editing. I think it's cool this way though :D

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Auriplane!!

I posted a note in the first

musenji

Joined: Feb 02 2010

I posted a note in the first post, referring people to my other posts for the clarifications...I feel like posting it all up in the first post would be redundant at this point.

I know I'm stretching the bounds by having a "structure" concept instead of a "theme" or "emotion" concept, but I figure that can be a good thing.

Plus I'm also writing one, though obviously I can't enter. I've never done it before, so this is a totally new experience for me too, and pretty challenging.

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And then I realized that the chord progression from Chrono Cross's Another World is the same progression as the chorus from Peace of Mind by Boston, and life was never quite the same.

Baaaah, I want to enter, but

Kabukibear

Happy Strumming!

Location: Palm Beach Gardens, Florida

Joined: Mar 22 2007

Baaaah, I want to enter, but I am struggling getting down what I'm playing into actual notes so I can go through the process of editing it. Maybe I'll scratch it and write something super cute like a Clementi-ish sonatina. God damn those make me want to shit daffodils.

You're a very funny bear. I

auriplane

Joined: Sep 06 2008

You're a very funny bear. I hope you shit daffodils of pure poetry.

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Auriplane!!

I really want to enter this

A Dead Fly

A Dead Fly

Location: Reno

Joined: Aug 07 2010

I really want to enter this contest and I'm working on something, but I don't think I'll have quite enough time to finish it the way I want it with this deadline, could you maybe extend it until the end of Sunday or something? :)

Yep,

musenji

Joined: Feb 02 2010

Make it so!

(Make it so.)

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And then I realized that the chord progression from Chrono Cross's Another World is the same progression as the chorus from Peace of Mind by Boston, and life was never quite the same.

i'm a bit busy with others

hashel

Location: Liège (Belgium)

Joined: Mar 04 2008

i'm a bit busy with others projects, so i think i will not enter this time :(

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I do VGM covers and stuff at https://www.youtube.com/c/hashel

:( This is probably the most

jit

Joined: Mar 04 2009

:( This is probably the most difficult of all the contests so far but just submit a quick 90 second piece, you still got 3 days after today if he extended the deadline :) we needz moor entries

I need some more time. Maybe

Joined: Dec 31 1969

I need some more time. Maybe the 20th?

Yeah with the picture of

musenji

Joined: Feb 02 2010

With the picture of Picard, I was agreeing to extend it to the end of Sunday.

(Yeah, sometimes I try humor and it fails. :/) I'll say it normally:

New deadline is midnight on Sunday the 20th, Eastern Standard Time.

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And then I realized that the chord progression from Chrono Cross's Another World is the same progression as the chorus from Peace of Mind by Boston, and life was never quite the same.

Re: :( This is probably the most

xuwawa

god of empty NES

Location: san antonio -ish

Joined: Apr 22 2009

jit said

we needz moor entries

i am no haughty moor, kind one, yet still shall i submit to the wiles of this fair tournament, if the currents of mine fate allow it.

[read: i'm working on it.]

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Can someone post a video or

vuser86

Joined: May 21 2010

Can someone post a video or mp3 exemple of what is a "sonata style" please?
I dont understand everything...

Here's my entry, its called

RexLeRouge

IMPACTO

Joined: Aug 15 2008

Here's my entry, its called "Sonne ma sonnette!"

MIDI
GP5

Still that epic reverb on my cymbals -_-'
the gp5 sound better

Re: Here's my entry, its called

vuser86

Joined: May 21 2010

RexLeRouge said

Here's my entry, its called "Sonne ma sonnette!"

MIDI
GP5

Still that epic reverb on my cymbals -_-'
the gp5 sound better

reminds me of lancor's games soundtracks :)
very well made aha

Well I have to admit, this

Joined: Dec 31 1969

Well I have to admit, this was a hard category and mine is pretty weird but ya. Here it is. (Before the category was selected I had started to write a Halloween song so that's why the beginning sounds like a scary song)

/files/user/Link%20Strife07/Gourmouj.mid

Re: Yeah with the picture of

A Dead Fly

A Dead Fly

Location: Reno

Joined: Aug 07 2010

I thought the humor was epic, because Picard kicks ass, and I got it without reading the quote first :D

I should do one in the style

auriplane

Joined: Sep 06 2008

I should do one in the style of Xuwawa (read: bass solo)

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Auriplane!!

Re: I should do one in the style

xuwawa

god of empty NES

Location: san antonio -ish

Joined: Apr 22 2009

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![sig'd]!!!!!!!!!!
DO EET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
...'cos i'm not...

mine's a guit/bass, focused on guitar. bass is just "chords"....
yeah how bout i just show instead of typing an inaccurate description.

here is section #1 of Prayer I: Bears with Shame

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where's the other 2 sections

jit

Joined: Mar 04 2009

where's the other 2 sections lol... u should either upload the whole thing together or wait until ur completely done to show it

P.S.
i really enjoyed Rex's jazz, it put me in a finger snapping mood!

and Link's was entertaining as well

BOOM there ya go, all 3 parts

xuwawa

god of empty NES

Location: san antonio -ish

Joined: Apr 22 2009

BOOM

there ya go, all 3 parts of

Prayer I: Bears with Shame


if i catch any big errors/wtf-was-i-thinkings, might change slightly before sunday
but probably not

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!

PSnice jazzercize fo' sho', and good job geist and link, very halloweenie opeing indeed!

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Nice xu! I think I'm ready to

jit

Joined: Mar 04 2009

Nice xu!

I think I'm ready to upload my piece. I'm sure its been asked a billion times but I never done it so how do I do that MIDI, MP3, GP5 thing everyone else does?

Re: Nice xu! I think I'm ready to

jit

Joined: Mar 04 2009

Figured it out. Thanks FAQ lol.

I call this piece "In The Balance". The three movements ressembles a story of 3 characters (hero, lover, and evil boss) and their emotions as the piece progresses. Just like the 3 movements are meshed together, so are the character's relationship. Notice that the hero and lover's themes are played in the same key, but as soon as the evil boss comes in the key changes ressembling the positive or negative relationship with each other. Enjoy!

Story: The cliche romance(so cliche that I didn't realized Rex did it also until I went to take a look at previous contests lolol) between a warrior and his lover who is captured by his rival into his domain.

FAST PART

0:00-1:04 ->Our protaganist who is desperate to find his love interest, storms into the enemy fortress, battling wave after wave. ADRENALINE PUMPING!!!!

SLOW PART ->It is divided into 3 parts

1:05-1:25 ->The hero finds his love. Exhausted, relieved, and bounded into her eyes. Fixated in their stare, they are in unison.

1:26-1:47 ->She runs into his arms and cries in joy. They have their lovey dovey moment, but he realizes they have to escape, but...

1:48-2:08 ->Uh oh. The evil boss walks in. Exchange of words, and boss walks face to face with the hero! Things heating up!

FAST PART 2
2:09-2:19 ->Fighter's Assume Fighting stance and the lover gets out of the way.
2:20-3:45 ->The 2 warriors clash in a fierce battle. Who do you think won?

Re: Nice xu! I think I'm ready to

xuwawa

god of empty NES

Location: san antonio -ish

Joined: Apr 22 2009

edit: shoulda refreshed before replying.

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