Hi, Your ZIP file is actually
auriplaneJoined: Sep 06 2008 |
Hi, Your ZIP file is actually a RAR. (If anyone has problems opening it, just rename it to .rar instead of .zip) I can try to give some tips. Keep in mind I'm not the best arranger out there, but you asked for indulgence, so . . . :-) You should know what key you're in, generally. First, figure out the "tonal center"--it sounds like the note the entire song centers on. Often, this note is also the first bass note, and in this case, it is! That 4 on the 5th string is C#, and C# is our tonal center. Next, figure out if it's major or minor. Does x421xx (C# minor) sound like the song, or does x431xx (C# major) sound like the song? As it happens, the chord x421xx fits much better. Let's set this song to four sharps, or C# minor. Okay, now we know what key we're in. Now that we've set the right key in Guitar Pro, notice how relatively few notes have sharps or flats? These notes are called "accidentals". Any time you see one, you're using a note that's NOT from the key you're in. Now, that's fine, you can use them on purpose even though they're called accidentals! But every time you see one, you should ask yourself, "Am I going outside the key on purpose?" When you see an accidental, that's your first hint that you MAY have entered a wrong note, so try changing those notes first! Anyway, I just wanted to explain that first, since you said you didn't have any theoretical knowledge. I'll write another post soon.
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Play your tab on guitar while
auriplaneJoined: Sep 06 2008 |
Play your tab on guitar while you listen. You can slow the song down with a program such as Audacity or Transcribe, if it's too fast. (Kabukibear recommended Transcribe in his arranging tutorial, which you might want to read! But I haven't used Transcribe myself.) Take your time and try to get each note right. Your arrangement doesn't have to sound like the original, but I'd recommend trying to get the original notes correct first, so your arrangement is on purpose and not accidental :-) Your melody starts out like this: E||-----------5--4----------| B||-----2--4--------4----2--| G||-------------------------| D||-------------------------| A||-------------------------| E||-------------------------| But those first two notes aren't right. It actually goes like this: E||-----------5--4----------| B||-----4--5--------4----2--| G||-------------------------| D||-------------------------| A||-------------------------| E||-------------------------| Try playing the 2 4 along with the song on your guitar, and then try playing 4 5. When you play 2 4, it doesn't sound as good. Why? Listen for the clash between your guitar and the original song. That's how you check for wrong notes. Okay, maybe you'll want to use 2 4 in your tab on purpose when we're done transcribing, and arranging. But for now, let's try to get the original notes, since things are clearly not right yet, so let's write down 4 5 for now, and move on to the second guitar.
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Well, let's see. The way you
auriplaneJoined: Sep 06 2008 |
Well, let's see. The way you had it written, the voices were crossing! When you play this part: E E E E E E E E E||--------------------------| B||--------5-----------4-----| G||-----------6-----------4--| D||-----6-----------6--------| A||--4-----------4-----------| E||--------------------------| The first two notes (4 6) are lower than the melody. But the next note (the 5, an E) is higher than the melody note you had (4, a D#). So this voice goes BELOW and ABOVE the melody. That can't be right! (Well, it could be, but it's not.) In general you should try to avoid crossing voices, because it confuses the ear. In the original song, there is a distinct *melody* voice, and *harmony* voice, and they do not cross. Of course, having changed "2 4" to "4 5" as in the last post, the 5 will sound really bad, because both guitars are playing the same note. That's not an improvement! But let's rewrite this part like the original: E E E E E E E E E||--------------------------| B||--------2-----------0-----| G||-----1-----1--------------| D||-----------------4-----4--| A||--4-----------2-----------| E||--------------------------| Okay, again, you don't have to do it like the original in your arrangement, but let's just get this transcribed. Now this voice stays LOWER the whole time, never HIGHER. So they sound distinct! At least for the first measure. And now, 4 5 on the first guitar sounds good, since they don't cross or clash.
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Now measures 1 and 2 both
auriplaneJoined: Sep 06 2008 |
Now measures 1 and 2 both sound like the original. But we've got a problem. Measure 2 is leaking into measure 3! The first phrase of the song is 17 eighth notes long, instead of 16. So, what SHOULD begin at the start of measure 3 begins one eight note late! This happens again in measure 5. The second phrase is also 17 eighth notes long, instead of 16. By measure five this has added up to us being a quarter note off! Let's fix this. Right now, it looks like this: So what if we delete that extra eighth note sticking out in the next measure? Won't it sound bad? Yes, and your ear is RIGHT to say the song should linger there. You're not wrong. You're just wrong about how to write it. In this case, we can make it sound the SAME by writing it this way: And now measure 3 isn't late anymore! This is important. Measures should start on the right beat, or you'll confuse the guitarist reading your music! The accent naturally falls on the 1 here, and you have the 1 wrong. Also note, measures 3 and 4 look just like measures 1 and 2 now.
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Okay, so your new measure 5
auriplaneJoined: Sep 06 2008 |
Okay, so your new measure 5 starts like this: --------------------------| -----------------------4--| --------------2--4--6-----| --------4--6--------------| -----4--------------------| --2-----------------------| Hmm. That's odd! I thought the other guitar had the same notes at the beginning: --------------------------| --------------------------| --------------2-----1--2--| --------4--------4--------| -----4-----4--------------| --2-----------------------| That's right, it does! Remember what I said earlier about keeping two voices distinct, a melody and a harmony? In this part, you've put the two together into one voice. You want to avoid that! Let's look at what the original does here: E E E E E E E E -----------------------2--| --------------2--4--5-----| -----1--2--4--------------| --------------------------| --------------------------| --------------------------| Notice how there's a rest at the start of the melody--the bass note is only played by the harmony guitar. Your measure 5 sounded decent, although it's better with voices separated. But the real problem is--where do you go from your measure 5? You end up on the wrong notes, so you have trouble finding something that sounds good for measure 6.
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Okay, I went ahead and
auriplaneJoined: Sep 06 2008 |
Okay, I went ahead and transcribed the rest: A Light for Lost Hopes (transcription) Now, with the original notes written down, you can do some "arranging" if you like. I can't really tell you how to do this, though you might want to check out Kabukibear's tutorial. The original song, in this case, is meant to be played on a single classical guitar, from the sound of it. It could be arranged for one guitar! Even on a single guitar, though, you have two separate *voices*, and while you don't have to keep them separate all the time, you should be aware of what you are doing and only do it on purpose *when it sounds good*, never on accident or without realizing it. Let's look at your original tab and back to this one. For the second chord, instead of B major like the original song, you continued the first chord (C# minor) all the way through the first measure. Like that better? Great, change it! I'm not telling you how to make your arrangement. I just want to make sure you do things like that on purpose because they sound better, and not simply because you heard it wrong. That's why getting a transcription as a first step is so important! Let's continue. Measure 3 is like measure 1, and measures 2 and 4 in your arrangement already sound like the original. In measures 5 and 6, you changed the ascending line on the first guitar significantly. You can do that, but in this case, you have to figure out somewhere new to take the song--and the place you went to sounds like a mistake. So, you should either keep the original part here, or come up with something new. This doesn't sound right. Let's take a quick look at your original tab again, for measures 7 and 8. Here, it looks like you gave up. Every tied note here is a mistake. There's no reason for that 4 to be tied. You have no reason to split a quarter note into a dotted eighth and sixteenth tied together. The last chord is just a whole note, not a bunch of noted tied together. Well, that's okay. After measure 5 took you to the wrong place, you had nowhere to go. So I'd get frustrated too! But you definitely need to fix that in your final arrangement. In measure 8, you have 44644x and 00222x together. That's pretty dissonant! The original only has one chord playing at the end, and of course you can change that in your arrangement, but I'd keep the C# in the root--it's the tonal center, as I mentioned in my first reply, and you want it to be the bass note of the final chord to give the song a "grounded" feeling.
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In case you missed it, here's
auriplaneJoined: Sep 06 2008 |
In case you missed it, here's the GP5 http://www.gametabs.net/files/user/auriplane/light_transcription.gp5 This concludes my "indulgence" :-) Just remember: do what sounds good, and if it doesn't sound good, keep trying!
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awesome! i just expected some
Enneahumhum.. Location: Germany Joined: Apr 09 2010 |
awesome! i just expected some small piece of advice but you made your answer very detailled, thank you :-) alright than, I will look up kabukis (way too long) arranging tutorial and see what i can make of it.. got some learning to do ;) thanks again! |
Ennea
humhum..
Location: Germany
Joined: Apr 09 2010
Hey, this is my very first tab so it may not be stunning buti think it's okay.. however somehow the end does not seem right but I dont get how i should rearrange it and make both guitar sound smooth together, would be nice if someone take a look at it ;)
http://www.xup.in/dl,18185646/A_Light_for_Lost_Hopes.zip/
oh and I don't have any theoretical knowledge so, undulgence please :> (can I even write it that way ? lol)