Hi, I can update this for
auriplane
Joined: Sep 06 2008 |
Hi, I can update this for you, but I'd like to point out two things in case you'd like to change them, while you're updating it: You have a whole lot of triplets! You mark them all as S, but they're not sixteenth notes. They're eighth note triplets (in measures 4, 5, 12, and 13) and sixteenth note triplets (in measures 28-35), and then eighth note triplets again at the end. So, I'd mark them as triplets somehow--change it to T, or add a line saying "S" means triplet. Or, do the Guitar Pro-style thing, and mark them as E and S with The other thing is, in the fifth to last measure, you are missing an eighth note. Do you want me to update it anyway, or do you want to re-upload the update?
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oh thank you god, i was
ShadeYay, Hero! Location: Rochester, NY Joined: Mar 15 2008 |
oh thank you god, i was battling with that for so long....the measures in that mid-section (the one that doesn't belong, its part of the intro to another song on the soundtrack) made NO sense to me, but as i counted along, those triplets didn't seem to line up with ANYTHING...but i get it now. i can change the Ses to Es and re-do it now...i wish i could stand to post a tab that didnt have defined measures but since i figured out the gist of it i just can't play through my own work without some kind of guideline. but heres my question...say you're counting..(i know its in 4 but i count to 8 when its predominantly eighth notes)..those little sections i have marked as three sixteenth notes take up the same amount of time as one eighth note. three sixteenths still didn't make sense, but played as triplets, it kinda did. what am i missing? you've listened to the original song, right, to know that those were erroneous? i mean i'm sure you're right but with both sections of triplets that you say are different, i am counting the same rhythm. i wish i could do this stuff in the daytime before my brain melts, but my son goes to bed at 7:30 and that's when i get on the computer and start having to count things...you can imagine=P
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I do know the original song,
auriplane
Joined: Sep 06 2008 |
I do know the original song, and the triplets in the first part are definitely eighth note triplets (three notes in the space of two eighth notes) in the original. The original song seems to end before the triplets in the middle part, at least on Youtube, so I don't know about that part. If you want three notes to take up the space of one eighth note, then you write triplet sixteenths. If it helps, you can think of triplet eighths as 12th notes and triplet sixteenths as 24th notes, though it'd be frowned upon by theory folks ;-) But if those notes are written as triplet sixteenths, then you only have 7 beats in a measure (counting in 8/8 time, eight beats per measure like you said, rather than 4/4). So, the measure becomes 7/8, and the song is sort of thrown off kilter, losing its flow. In the original, it stays in 4/4 and uses triplets eighths in the melody. Another way to put it is: I assumed you wanted to remain in 4/4 time, because that's what the original does. So I interpreted each set of S's in whatever way made them add up to exactly one measure of 4/4 time. That's why I said eighth triplets, then sixteenth, then eighth again at the end. Personally, I'm glad you go for defined measures. I like to think that rhythm is at least as important as which notes you're playing ^-^
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the middle section...okay..i
ShadeYay, Hero! Location: Rochester, NY Joined: Mar 15 2008 |
the middle section...okay..i pull from a lot of resources especially when it comes to phantasy star, because there are limited other arrangements of the song. in one of the versions, i think it is the Rock Za version (those are the most well known, they released two cds called i think the phantasy star music collection back in the 90s), at the climax of the song it switches for just those few measures into the field music (The Ground its called), and then it goes back to the main theme to finish it off. its really pretty and once day when I was playing the original shorter tab, those measures just sorta flowed out of the guitar and sounded right there, so i thought it'd make the whole arrangement a little more epic sounding ;-) and inserted that in there. after studying all kinds of different arrangements on this site and elsewhere, i notice there are some that try and keep their piece as exact as possible, and some that of course add their own touch here and there, i wanted a mix of both, and then (im a huge fan of uematsu's music) i was watching one of the lonlonjp videos, for Spinach Rag, one of my favorites, and instead of repeating the same phrase, at one point he amped it up to be like the version on the piano collections, which was super exciting to me (and i dont know how many people notice but i'm also alone in my love of video game music in my real life =P). an arrangement is whole when it captures as many different facets of the original as possible while still remaining fluid. :) this is my goal now with as much PS music as I can manage:) i do understand the rhythm stuff...but i am relearning all this from many many years ago, after your last response i went through and counted while i played the song and it makes sense now. I just have to move EVERYTHING around, so i'll have the final version up in a little while.
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and it is done (i hope)
ShadeYay, Hero! Location: Rochester, NY Joined: Mar 15 2008 |
hey...this is it...but could you look it over real quick and see if i missed something? because now...yes, everything is technically correct, however, the measures no longer end at the end of the actual phrase. how do people do that and make it work? now theres no obvious distinction between sections in the piece, its just one long run-on sentence because i had to move the measure markers all over the place...i keep feeling like there's something I'm missing..but this is good enough to post, i think, unless you see a major error..
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The reason the measure lines
auriplane
Joined: Sep 06 2008 |
The reason the measure lines are mis-aligned is because everything doesn't add up anymore. In measures 4 and 5: |-3-| |-3-| E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E |------------------------|------------------------| |--1-3-1-----------------|-----1-3-1--------------| |---------0--------------|--0---------0-----------| |------------------0--2--|-----1---------1--0-----| |---------------3--------|---------------------3--| |--0---------3-----------|------------------------| That's 7 eighth notes total, because the triplets only take up 2, so it's 2+5, not 3+5. So each measure needs to have another eighth note, like this: |-3-| |-3-| E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E |---------------------------|---------------------------| |--1-3-1--------------------|--1-3-1--------------------| |---------0--------------0--|---------0-----------------| |------------------0--2-----|--1---------1--0-----------| |---------------3-----------|------------------3-----0--| |--0---------3--------------|---------------------3-----| All of your measures with sixteenth triplets add up correctly now, but all of your measures with eighth triplets are in 7/8.
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Here: PSIII Main Theme
auriplane
Joined: Sep 06 2008 |
Here:
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phew, thanks, i'm sorry you
ShadeYay, Hero! Location: Rochester, NY Joined: Mar 15 2008 |
phew, thanks, i'm sorry you had to do that. i'm sure theres an easier way than doing it by hand but i have no idea how to use any of the programs that are out there. on the plus side though i do have the knowledge to do more stuff without screwing it up=P thanks
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when you put it up..feel free
ShadeYay, Hero! Location: Rochester, NY Joined: Mar 15 2008 |
when you put it up..feel free to credit yourself with helping :)
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Shade
Yay, Hero!
Location: Rochester, NY
Joined: Mar 15 2008
Phantasy Star III Main Theme