I think there is no cheating
SpiderTemplarius
Music hunger Location: Poland Joined: Oct 22 2008 |
I think there is no cheating in that. As long as you want create some arrangement or something similar, and after failing several trials to find note by ear there is nothing wrong about using spectrum analyzer. Nobody told you have to find all note by ear. Nobody told you musnt create arrangements just because you cannot recognize notes by ear. |
What Spider said. Though, I
auriplane
Joined: Sep 06 2008 |
What Spider said. Though, I don't know how well a spectrum analyzer will actually work, unless the song is made of relatively high pitched sine waves. The only reason I think it's important to try to transcribe things without such tools first, and only use them if you need to, is because transcription is ear training, and the more work you automate, the less ear training you're getting. That can be fine, though--maybe ear training isn't your goal, or your main goal, for making a tab. We all have different goals. Personally, I transcribe songs by ear but I will use the tools that are available to me if I can, if I have any trouble :-)
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Fully agree with auri -
SpiderTemplarius
Music hunger Location: Poland Joined: Oct 22 2008 |
Fully agree with auri - finding notes by year is good training. But what can do people who dont have enough skills or who just can hear right notes? Not every one has such a gift - I know some people who really would like to be able to figure out notes by ear, but they just have no ability to do this, however, they still want to be able make their own arrangements... for those are all helpful tools like the mentioned one. |
thanks for the feedback. i do
xuwawa
god of empty NES Location: san antonio -ish Joined: Apr 22 2009 |
thanks for the feedback. i do try to do it by ear so i can get better, but i'm a bit of a perfectionist too so i want to make sure i've got it all dead on. so like the melodies i did by ear, then used this thing to correct a few notes i was off. but for the backing stuff, at least now i have to use this to get anywhere close. now if only every song were guitar and bass i wouldn't have this problem... as bad. and maybe spectrum analyzer is too ambiguous a term, basically the program shows pitch across 7 octaves on the vertical axis and time on the horizontal. amplitude is indicated by color: white to blue to yellow.
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xuwawa
god of empty NES
Location: san antonio -ish
Joined: Apr 22 2009
So I'm sure everyone here tabs by ear, whether it's fullspeed or taking down the tempo without bothering the pitch with a program like audacity (or maybe even like how steve martin learned to play the banjo - playing the record on the slower setting and down tuning the hell outta his instrument).
But I was wondering if anyone uses anything extra for more complex pieces, orchestral pieces, the like.
I feel kind of uneasy talking about it, but... I've been using a spectrum analyzer* to help me out with transcribing the Dollmaker's theme from Blood Omen: Legacy of Kain. I'd like to transcribe it faithfully to midi, since none exists, then arrange a metal version. I've been working on it off and on since october, and I am nearing completion of the straight transcription (damn you psychoacoustics and damn you muddy parts of the spectral map). Since I'm doing it this way, could I post the transcription once finished, or should I wait until I finish the arrangement?
here's a remix i did for OLRmageddon 36 in december, most backing parts weren't used and i've found and corrected wrong notes in the melodies since then, but it's worth a reference anyway: BOLOK Elzevir remix
and here's basically the midi version of that mix, which's far removed from the current "faithful" version, which has unfinished and wrong parts in it so i don't want to post it.
*As for the specific software:
WIDI is supposed to be a wave to midi software but is quite horrible at it, at least in my hands, so i just use the spectral map. The less muddy and more monophonic a song is, the easier it is to see where the notes lay. Of course, those are the songs I can do by ear anyways.
So is that cheating or bad form or what? And if so how in the heck do you transcribe an orchestra, even a piecemeal one like in that song?