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Finger picking or..

ThePredster

Joined: Apr 18 2009

On a Classical accoustic is it better to use your finger or use a pick

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surreal

Eric: tank,godlike

Location: Arizona

Joined: Jan 04 2009

On a classical nylon string guitar it's always better to use the fingers.

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DuoDn

Location: San Jose, California

Joined: May 16 2007

lol finger picking bro, finger picking can do everything a pick can but better

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Vic9mm

The Fingerstyle Mechanic

Location: Dallas Texas

Joined: Aug 27 2008

finger picking all the way. Grow your nails out just a little not to much round them off smooth the underside of them with 1500grit sand paper and you will be good to go. Keep your nails healthy by using lotion on your hands make sure you keep them clean espacially the underside of them this will result a more healthy nail.

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Clifurd1

Joined: Oct 16 2008

Hey this is a good post. For a classical with nylon strings everyone would definately suggest fingerpicking. But as for fingerpicking being able to do everything a pick can do but better, I would have to say that for an acoustic guitar definitely better to use fingers but if you are trying to pick fast (which should probably be done on an electric) you won't be able to pick as fast with your hands as you can with a pick. I can't use a pick never could lol
OH and Vic9mm's post was really informative you should take his advice with consideration. lol I never thought about keeping your hands hydrated for fingernail health!

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Vic9mm

The Fingerstyle Mechanic

Location: Dallas Texas

Joined: Aug 27 2008

Clifurd1 said

Hey this is a good post. For a classical with nylon strings everyone would definately suggest fingerpicking. But as for fingerpicking being able to do everything a pick can do but better, I would have to say that for an acoustic guitar definitely better to use fingers but if you are trying to pick fast (which should probably be done on an electric) you won't be able to pick as fast with your hands as you can with a pick. I can't use a pick never could lol
OH and Vic9mm's post was really informative you should take his advice with consideration. lol I never thought about keeping your hands hydrated for fingernail health!

Thanks...but really its not for the hands per say its mainly for the fingernail itself you dont have to put lotion on your hands you can rub it into each nail if you wanted to. Its vitamn E that promotes a healthy nail they say. I know its a bit girly but hey you got to do what you got to do. I dont mind it at all, hell I have even put on fake nails to play the classical guitar.

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Maikoi92

Linsey

Location: Belgium

Joined: Apr 21 2009

What about on an acoustic guitar? Is it still better to grow nails? I have never bothered in letting them grow, because one time I did and it sounded a bit.. awkward. Maybe that was because I didn't make them grow properly though.

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Vic9mm

The Fingerstyle Mechanic

Location: Dallas Texas

Joined: Aug 27 2008

you dont have to grow them too long...remember nail length does effect sound so you dont want them that long. Ive seen your videos and have to say i would leave your nails as is. But thats just my opinion.

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surreal

Eric: tank,godlike

Location: Arizona

Joined: Jan 04 2009

Maikoi92 said

What about on an acoustic guitar? Is it still better to grow nails? I have never bothered in letting them grow, because one time I did and it sounded a bit.. awkward. Maybe that was because I didn't make them grow properly though.

I would never suggest to grow your fingernails as long as if you were playing classical guitar. Nylon strings are really nothing like steel strings as far as playability is concerned. Classical guitar players who've tried steel can attest to this.

Nails ARE good for acoustic but if they're too long the steel strings have the propensity to catch onto the nail making a horrible snagging, jarring sound.

I like to hold my hand, fingers out, nails facing outwards so I can see how far the nails protrude above my fingertip. I usually go with a 16th of an inch over the fingertip at the longest length. I also have my nails slightly curved to catch the string off the fingertip and have it glide off smoothly.

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Maikoi92

Linsey

Location: Belgium

Joined: Apr 21 2009

Hmm I might try growing them a little to try it out, but I'll probably stick to having short nails.

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ThePredster

Joined: Apr 18 2009

Why would nail be a huge contributing factor to fingerpicking. When I finger pick I use the tip of my finger and like surreal said. Nails often touch the other string making that sound

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surreal

Eric: tank,godlike

Location: Arizona

Joined: Jan 04 2009

Nails drastically improve the volume of your playing while your fingertips act as piano-like felt tips to mute the string right when you're about to pluck it again.

You don't need them to fingerpick, but the option is always there.

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ThePredster

Joined: Apr 18 2009

I've been finger picking and its gotten quite comforable but Im have issues on Trichords. Mainly on should I pluck them all at the same time or go straight down with my nails. Either way they both sound terrible. Does that come to practice or am i missing something.

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auriplane

Joined: Sep 06 2008

What's a trichord?

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surreal

Eric: tank,godlike

Location: Arizona

Joined: Jan 04 2009

Maybe he means triads?

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t-o-m-o

Joined: Feb 05 2009

i use my fingertips

i have tried growing my nails, is it about the shape and not the length?

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ThePredster

Joined: Apr 18 2009

Yeah I meant triads =/

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Vic9mm

The Fingerstyle Mechanic

Location: Dallas Texas

Joined: Aug 27 2008

well honestly the pros have them like little ramps so the string can glide off but thats the pros smooth and rounded should sufice for us.

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Divine Metaphysics

Location: Near my guitars

Joined: Dec 06 2008

Finger picking can be fast too:

Watch Paco Pena

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0x-AefwV4M

I personally think that with

Magicshmop

Joined: Dec 21 2008

I think that with acousitc guitars, there are 3 types of playing.

Fingerpicking style.

Rythem.

Soloing.

With a classical guitar, it feels like there isnt much room for rythem. Strumming a classical nylon feels wrong somehow, it's hard to explain. For the two other extreams though, its perfect!

Fingerpicking is a given when it comes to classical guitars. Through my personal preferance though, I perfer soloing on a classical nylon string guitar with a pick then on an electric. With the right modes and scales you can really add a perfect compliment of any style(well most...) to a song.

Modern acoustic guitars are good at all aspects. Being able to fingerpick, strum freely for rythem, and solo at times make it more versitile then a classical. Higher gauge strings make it difficult to fingerpick for me, hence me owning a classical.

I've never tryed a steel string classical though, everyone seems gung-ho about them here.

Idk, just my two cents, and yeah, i realize this is super old haha.

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surreal

Eric: tank,godlike

Location: Arizona

Joined: Jan 04 2009

. . . Steel String Classical?

You're joking right?

Even if you had a classical with a truss rod and was able to support the neck-warping tension of steel strings it still wouldn't make sense.

Combining steel strings and a classical guitar creates an instrument harder to play than either a classical or steel acoustic.

Small steel strings, combined with a far too wide neck, combined with machine pegs not designed to handle the tension, combined with the probability of not having an internal scalloped bracing pattern to support said steel strings, creates a comical contest between what breaks first; your will to play, or the guitar.

I used to think I didn't need

natenmn

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Location: United States

Joined: Jul 17 2009

I used to think I didn't need nails for my classical... that was me being ignorant. After I tried it, there is no going back. Some of the things I've learned:

1) Shape, not size. I try to make little ramps so that my nail can glide along the string for a nice smooth sound. There are a few different shapes that different guitar masters swear by. I've even seen squarish o_O. Don't keep your nails too long, or they will hinder you.

2) Keep them smooth like vic said. One of my favorite things in life is to smooth my nails and play on a freshly tuned guitar. It sounds very nice. I use one of those girly 7 sided nail buffer things.

3) Again to reiterate something vic said earlier. Keep your nails moisturized. I used to have breaking nails all the time, and went to get some womanly advice from my mom about which nail hardener is best. She said none of them are because your nails break when they are brittle. She suggested a nail moisturizer and I have never had a broken nail since I started using it. Keep in mind that I play VERY aggressive various rasgueados. The thing to note about this is that it may make your nail all shiny and girly (it is similar to nail gloss or polish), but that can be solved by lightly using a medium grit from your girly 7 sided nail buffer thing.

4) You can use the nail in conjunction with the fingertip to produce different dynamics... this is very important to keep in mind, but it is very difficult and only comes with time. You need to grow the nails, first, before you can learn this. This is why I suggest to grow nails sooner rather than later... you will get more practice with nails the longer you have them :P.

So anyone who is on the fence, my suggestion is to at least give them a shot... but give them a good, well informed shot :). Make sure they are in good shape before you make your decision of whether or not to keep them.

By the way, I still hate when I go to shake someone's hand or accept change. It makes me feel like those old screeching Ren and Stimpy close-ups lmao.

I actually dont see how you

ThePredster

Joined: Apr 18 2009

I actually dont see how you could really play fingerpicking with you nail? Do you pluck them with your nails or is it more of a backwards motion? Backward motion Seems alot more cumbersome

You pull your finger in

BooDoo

People

Location: Somerville, MA

Joined: Mar 24 2008

You pull your finger in towards your palm and strike the string with the inside of your nail. You don't typically pick 'out' (with the back/outside of your nail)

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BooDoo

People

Location: Somerville, MA

Joined: Mar 24 2008

surreal said

. . . Steel String Classical?

You're joking right?

This was my exact reaction, too. But can I get your opinion on the 'CL5' strings here?

They're labeled by the manufacturer as classical guitar strings, but have steel trebles. They don't list tension on the site or packaging, so I'm pretty confused.

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surreal

Eric: tank,godlike

Location: Arizona

Joined: Jan 04 2009

BooDoo said

surreal said

. . . Steel String Classical?

You're joking right?

This was my exact reaction, too. But can I get your opinion on the 'CL5' strings here?

They're labeled by the manufacturer as classical guitar strings, but have steel trebles. They don't list tension on the site or packaging, so I'm pretty confused.

They seem to be an interesting case. They mention "Manufactured to a medium quality" which basically is a steel acoustic term for "medium guage."

What's strange is that, despite referring to them in steel guitar specs, they list the steels to be the three trebles. This makes it unlikely that it's meant for a steel acoustic due to the 3rd string not being wound in this set.

It seems like a strange hybrid set, I'd be wary about trying it.