I don't like the idea that
yashakenkyaku
Joined: Nov 24 2009 |
I don't like the idea that backwards compatibility is going to go away. ;_; I see it like so; Gamestop bought said game for certain price. This game was sold for that, plus the amount of money to make a profit. They buy back this game for about small fraction of what you paid; certainly less than what they paid for it. Now, if you have video games to sell, its reasonable to speculate you've probably played said games. Further speculation would dictate you're not getting rid of them for the money, most of the time, but because you're bored with them. So, in search of new entertainment, you may purchase newer games, at higher prices, with the money you've received to compliment what you have left in your wallet. @.@ |
A ban on used games? what a
Lemoncobbler
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) Location: SoCal Joined: Dec 22 2010 |
A ban on used games? |
I don't think you answered
musenji
Joined: Feb 02 2010 |
I don't think you answered your own question: "What's a used game?" A used game is a game that has been used. I'm pretty sure that's not what you're trying to communicate, and you didn't explain how any of what you said qualifies as "a ban on used games". I seriously don't understand what is being explained in the OP. Maybe I'm just really tired. Can someone spell it out for me, clearly? PS this is not a sassy post, this is a confused post.
----------
And then I realized that the chord progression from Chrono Cross's Another World is the same progression as the chorus from Peace of Mind by Boston, and life was never quite the same. |
Re: I don't think you answered
Giogiogio4
For all the dreamers: Our planet's dream is not over yet... Joined: Jun 10 2010 |
musenji said
If you were up to date you would know that Devs and next gen are looking into ways to ban used games, and remove backwards play ability. They accuse places like gamestop for them "losing money" on every game sold. They basically say Gamestop makes money on a game being used and sold multiple times and devs not getting a cut. So as gamers, the games we buy will link to our account, Or be digital entirely. Can't be traded or sold and maybe not even borrowed. Some consoles are looking into new media ( xbox ) and won't even be able to play this gen games.PS3 might change it's programming structure to match whats out, rendering Ps3 games unusable on Ps4 and so forth. I stated that Used games don't hurt Devs because A used game being traded in is nothing more then a Loan towards a new game. So Gamestop is paying devs for new games.Gamers that buy used games are doing nothing more then Paying off someone elses loan. - Gamer trades in game. Go towards new game. ( money for new game comes from store ). _ Even when gamestop buys a game and put's it on the shelf theres no promise that anyone will buy it. The Value also goes down. So they gave a gamer 30 bucks for a game that's now worth 10 bucks. thats 20 dollar lost. When it comes down to it The devs are basically taking money From gamestop with no promise they will even get 50% of that back. Look at the 1000s of PS2 titles that are 4 bucks at the store. At one time they gave gamers 30 bucks for those in store credit.
----------
My Art for sale! : Here Latest Recording:Man of the World |
I just thought I'd stop in to
Juja
Location: Utah Joined: May 27 2007 |
I just thought I'd stop in to say "fuck GameStop." I don't care about the whole banning used games thing too much at this point. I just think everybody should stop buying anything from GameStop. They're a bunch of assholes that sell opened games as new, pester you to sign up for their shitty ass power up card and to pre-order every game coming out on the systems you own, and they're really hostile if you try to return anything, even if it's unopened. It's way cheaper to just order games on sites like Amazon and newegg; they don't charge tax, usually have free shipping (with orders over $25), and they often have additional discounts for seemingly no reason. Also, you can save a ton of money if you just wait a few months after a game comes out to buy it. Just wait 3-6 months and most $60 games become $20. I can understand that there are certain games that you just can't wait for, and it's fine to get those right away, but by being a little patient and ordering your games online, you can save a ton of money without dealing with all the bullshit of GameStop. Or you could always buy games at Wal-Mart or stores like that, but online is almost always cheaper. As for actual next gen stuff, all I really care about right now is how much the WiiU is going to cost, and what games will be coming out for it (Dragon Quest X WiiU version!). |
Re: I just thought I'd stop in to
Giogiogio4
For all the dreamers: Our planet's dream is not over yet... Joined: Jun 10 2010 |
Juja said
I sell stuff on amazon and they take like 10 bucks + out of your sell if its like 50 bucks. I also returned a game I opened and beat to gamestop a week later ( rocksmith ) with no issues. Plus this has nothing to do with them. This is the industry taking it too far. We wont be able to buy games used, or sell them anymore. or borrow them. We already dont even get full games anymore because of the DLC BullSh*t constantly. Soon we will have to buy a game, Buy the online part and then buy other content all ready on this disk. What happens when you want to play a ps3 game in 15 years? The systems dont last as it is this gen. And if everything is true about next gen. There wont be any used games! So PS4 games won't be sold new when say ps6 is out, And guess what? you can't buy them new then and used will be banned. basically put if they did this back then all our Ps1 games and stuff from those eras would be useless.
----------
My Art for sale! : Here Latest Recording:Man of the World |
pc = always current gen
Jacob31593
Location: Tampa, FL Joined: Jan 04 2009 |
pc = always current gen |
Re: I just thought I'd stop in to
iamHoustonian
You don’t need to see my identification… Joined: Oct 03 2011 |
Giogiogio4 said
Useless? I still own a ps1 and ps2 (SNES, Atari 2600 and original XBOX as well. Not to be boastful hehe) and I think I play SNES and PS1 games more then I play my XBOX 360. But there is a secret to giving your friends the games you purchased on XBOX live dashboard. If you trust your friend with having your gamertag on their XBOX 360 that is. Well, for those who didn't know, all you have to do is migrate your gamertag to their console and re-download the games you want to his/her console and presto! they can play those games with their gamertag as well. This works for DLC as well, like Nazi Zombies and such. EDIT: I did this for my brother's girlfriend and my gamertag is on my console and her's. |
Re: I just thought I'd stop in to
Juja
Location: Utah Joined: May 27 2007 |
I wasn't talking about selling stuff on Amazon or anything; I'm just saying that buying from GameStop is bad since they're a bunch of assholes and you can get games way cheaper online. Did they really let you return an opened game for a full refund? Or did you trade it in, which gets you considerably less? If they actually let you return the game opened as a new game for full price, then that person must've either been your friend or not given a shit about their store policy (which would be nice). Anyway, GameStop's a bunch of fucking assholes. I totally agree about the DLC thing. I hate it. I'm really wary of buying any new games for my PS3 because of this. For example, instead of buying RE5 new for $60, I got the Gold Edition that includes all the DLC for $22 off Amazon a few years later. I won't even buy Casltevania: Lord of Shadow because of DLC. I want to play the game, but not until they release a version with all the downloadable crap included. If they never do, maybe I'll buy it when it's like $10 or $15. |
Re: I just thought I'd stop in to
Giogiogio4
For all the dreamers: Our planet's dream is not over yet... Joined: Jun 10 2010 |
iamHoustonian said
Lmao did you even read my comment. If they block used games now in 15 years PS3/4 games will be useless. The PS3 wont last that long and PS4 games will be unplayable used, So they wont be sold anywhere. Going into that same logic if applied to PS1 games we wouldnt be able to play them today when those games were still some of the best.
----------
My Art for sale! : Here Latest Recording:Man of the World |
you guys dont understand what
Jacob31593
Location: Tampa, FL Joined: Jan 04 2009 |
you guys dont understand what hes saying |
Re: you guys dont understand what
Juja
Location: Utah Joined: May 27 2007 |
Jacob31593 said
Haha. Your comment actually gave me a good laugh, Jacob. My Playstation 1 broke on me many years ago, so it's funny because it's true to me. All the other systems I've ever owned are in tact and work just fine, but the Playstation 1 was a cheaply made piece of crap. At least my PS2 and PS3 can still play PS1 games. As for the whole not being able to lend/borrow games from people, I think that's horrible. If the console makers do that, people should really just not by their consoles. That's the power consumers have over the game companies (whether or not we give them our money). |
Re: you guys dont understand what
Giogiogio4
For all the dreamers: Our planet's dream is not over yet... Joined: Jun 10 2010 |
Juja said
Lol exactly. I was saying that if the PS4 and Nextbox 720 remove the ability to play Current PS3/360 games and Ban any use games how do we play them in 15 years? Can't buy PS4 games new when the ps7 is out. And you can't play them used. And all the PS3's and 360s will be broken because they have horrible shelve lives. My Ps2 still works though, Got that day 1. Apply their logic to the Ps1 generation. Cant buy ps1 games new in the box, So most buy them used. But used games would be banned. making all the PS1 games useless unless you "rebuy" them all digitally.
----------
My Art for sale! : Here Latest Recording:Man of the World |
all jackassery aside,
Jacob31593
Location: Tampa, FL Joined: Jan 04 2009 |
all jackassery aside, emulators are constantly becoming better and better Jacob31593 said
|
I would just like to know if
musenji
Joined: Feb 02 2010 |
I would just like to know if Gio is planning any other aspect of his life 15 years in advance
----------
And then I realized that the chord progression from Chrono Cross's Another World is the same progression as the chorus from Peace of Mind by Boston, and life was never quite the same. |
Really? My PS1 still works,
iamHoustonian
You don’t need to see my identification… Joined: Oct 03 2011 |
Really? My PS1 still works, it might take a couple of tries to read the disc, but she works fine. Here's my beauty, with my old ass PSM Final Fantasy sticker hehe :-) I was mainly just joking when you said that PS1 games would be fucked if they stopped allowing used games back then. But I didn't really specify my reason for talking about "sharing" your digital games with others. But I agree with you Juja, FUCK GAMESTOP!!! They do get all pissey when you try to return stuff. Amazon is the way man! I recently bought "Jackie Chan: Stuntmaster" for PS1 on Amazon, $10. Awesome game! |
Re: pc = always current gen
RexLeRouge
IMPACTO Joined: Aug 15 2008 |
Jacob31593 said
Let me love you really hard |
I think the motors tend to
auriplane
Joined: Sep 06 2008 |
I think the motors tend to die on the PSX. I might be wrong--that's just what my friend told me. Luckily, you can find broken PSXs pretty cheap and cannibalize them :-D I've never done that (I'm not really a hardware person), but that same friend once replaced the motor in my PSX for me that way. My playstation is covered with stickers!
----------
|
while we're on the subject of
Lemoncobbler
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) Location: SoCal Joined: Dec 22 2010 |
while we're on the subject of older gen shit, I was thinking of busting out my n64, but i'm missing the red yellow and white cable cord thingy! Does anyone know of any stores that would sell one of those cables? I'd order online but i'd like to be able to just pick it up whenever. |
that's what I just said plane
karathrow
Joined: Oct 26 2010 |
that's what I just said plane :| |
My parade, how you rain on it
karathrow
Joined: Oct 26 2010 |
My parade, how you rain on it :( |
I don't own an SNES, already
Lemoncobbler
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) Location: SoCal Joined: Dec 22 2010 |
I don't own an SNES, already tried looking for my gamecube cable before I posted, but it seems to be missing too >:( anyone else? |
I got a universal RFU adapter
iamHoustonian
You don’t need to see my identification… Joined: Oct 03 2011 |
I got a universal RFU adapter from GameStop. I use it for SNES and PS2. |
Re: Really? My PS1 still works,
musenji
Joined: Feb 02 2010 |
iamHoustonian said
Lol at getting mad at a place for wanting the receipt along with a returned item, and calling that "they don't want to let you return things"
----------
And then I realized that the chord progression from Chrono Cross's Another World is the same progression as the chorus from Peace of Mind by Boston, and life was never quite the same. |
Re: I got a universal RFU adapter
Lemoncobbler
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) Location: SoCal Joined: Dec 22 2010 |
iamHoustonian said
my nigga |
Re: Really? My PS1 still works,
Juja
Location: Utah Joined: May 27 2007 |
musenji said
Just for the record - when I tried to return something, I had my receipt, the game was unopened, and it was within 30 days or whatever their limit is. The guy was still a dick to me. I already didn't like everything else about GameStop, but that was the last straw for me. I even cancelled my Xenoblade pre-order from them and bought it straight from Nintendo (even though it cost more for shipping). Aside from all the other negative things I mentioned about GameStop, why would I want to shop at a place with such shitty customer service? |
Re: Really? My PS1 still works,
iamHoustonian
You don’t need to see my identification… Joined: Oct 03 2011 |
musenji said
Yeah..? I guess a big yellow sticker that says NEW Gamestop and $49.99 with a bar code that they "couldn't" get to scan wasn't enough to accept a return. I have had other "less than pleasant" experiences with Gamestop as well. |
Re: Really? My PS1 still works,
musenji
Joined: Feb 02 2010 |
Wait, so you didn't have a receipt either? Correct me if I'm wrong: This is NORMAL. For any establishment. You buy something, pretty much anywhere; you want to return it; you need the receipt--period. [edit] I was responding to juja - Houston, if yours had a Gamestop sticker, I guess that's a judgment call? I dunno. I still would expect to have to have a receipt. It's just standard.
----------
And then I realized that the chord progression from Chrono Cross's Another World is the same progression as the chorus from Peace of Mind by Boston, and life was never quite the same. |
Re: Really? My PS1 still works,
iamHoustonian
You don’t need to see my identification… Joined: Oct 03 2011 |
Nope, no receipt. My aunt didn't keep it. "Don't act like I didn't eat that Donut, I got the documentation right here." Mitch Hedberg Hahaha |
No, I meant Juja, but
musenji
Joined: Feb 02 2010 |
No, I meant Juja, but apparently I was drunk and somehow missed him saying he had the receipt. I strongly remember that not being said, which means I must be REALLY drunk. You do not have the documentation. It's at home. In the file. Under "D". For "Donut".
----------
And then I realized that the chord progression from Chrono Cross's Another World is the same progression as the chorus from Peace of Mind by Boston, and life was never quite the same. |
Re: No, I meant Juja, but
iamHoustonian
You don’t need to see my identification… Joined: Oct 03 2011 |
Haha I'm feelin' the effects of some Jameson myself :-) |
Re: No, I meant Juja, but
musenji
Joined: Feb 02 2010 |
Aw, after seeing my last comment combined with your avatar, I just had to make this:
----------
And then I realized that the chord progression from Chrono Cross's Another World is the same progression as the chorus from Peace of Mind by Boston, and life was never quite the same. |
Haha Niiiice! Jedi Mind-Mitch
iamHoustonian
You don’t need to see my identification… Joined: Oct 03 2011 |
Haha Niiiice! Jedi Mind-Mitch |
I don't know why people get
surreal
Eric: tank,godlike Location: Arizona Joined: Jan 04 2009 |
I don't know why people get their panties all tangled over gamestop. Every time they've remotely acted like dicks, I simply call them out then make a scene. That shit's fun. |
Re: you guys dont understand what
wayfaerer
"Embrace your dreams." Location: The Lifestream Joined: Apr 03 2011 |
Jacob31593 said
my PSX as well as PSone are both still runnin strong as ever; my old ps2, not the slim, crapped out, and my slim crapped out too actually now that i recall, but i ended up fixing it. ive actually had far more issues with my prior ps3 than any other gaming console; was forced to go out and buy new. also i agree with your earlier comment on pc gaming; thats a trend that will never die, and i think thats awesome, even though i never really got into pc gaming (except age of empires and a little bit of halo). also, on the topic of rumors for next gen, apparently the creative team for the new WiiU, or whatever the fuck theyre gonna call it, was interviewed about the specs of the new system: when asked how it will compare with ps3 and xbox 360, the developers stated that when it is released, it will be approximately "on par" with the current consoles... umm, okay, so by that time ps4 and the next xbox (720?) will be released, and the WiiU (?) will be on par with the prior forms of those respective consoles. i think nintendo finally shit the bed; their gonna effectively bankrupt themselves for releasing an obsolete and shitty new system (apparently the controller is going to be a tablet... some will like it, sure they will, but not i). i see little to no future for nintendo as a console developer; they should just say fuck it and develop games, no more systems, unless they keep making handhelds (even though the 3DS KINDA flopped). also, apparently steam is going to be making a system; im excited to see what that might be all about.
----------
"i seem to be find a lot that apparently dont contain the .exe actually" -Anonymous "Has anyone really been far as decided to use even go want to look more like?" -Pherioxus |
also, mitch hedberg is a
wayfaerer
"Embrace your dreams." Location: The Lifestream Joined: Apr 03 2011 |
also, mitch hedberg is a fucking genius "when i have my own apartment, ill like play my music real loud; then ill mind fuck the guy banging on my wall tellin me to turn it down, ill say: 'go around!'... 'i dunno what you got on that side, but over here, i got nothin.'"
----------
"i seem to be find a lot that apparently dont contain the .exe actually" -Anonymous "Has anyone really been far as decided to use even go want to look more like?" -Pherioxus |
Re: you guys dont understand what
Giogiogio4
For all the dreamers: Our planet's dream is not over yet... Joined: Jun 10 2010 |
wayfaerer said
Dude, It's Nintendo. All the stuff they release is out of date, Cheaply made with no support. And guess what? people eat them up. Nintendo releases the same games over and over and over again and cash in. Look at the 3DS compared to the Vita. The Vita is a powerhouse. Something we all wanted forever in a handheld but it's selling horribly compared to the 3DS. The only thing going for that handheld is the "3D" and that's about it. Nintendo's strength is to market to children. 1. make under powered system. This is nothing new, Look at the Wii, The thing is dead for the most part and had almost no games yet it sold Millions and allowed Nintendo to release a new console that will again bring in millions while being behind in ever category possible. It's business. Look at the Concord ( the airplane ). People say they want an awesome system and then Bitch when it comes time to pay for it. People complained about the Vita having a 32 GB memorycard the size of a fingernail costing 100 bucks, while Apple charges 100+ for a 15 GB difference in their Ipods. So apple is allowed to charge 100 bucks for 15 gbs but sony can't charge 100 bucks for 32gbs.
----------
My Art for sale! : Here Latest Recording:Man of the World |
youre absolutely right gio; i
wayfaerer
"Embrace your dreams." Location: The Lifestream Joined: Apr 03 2011 |
youre absolutely right gio; i cant say i was shocked at what nintendo "plans" to do for the next system, but i was taken aback a bit, considering nintendo is one of the mega corporations in gaming, at least they used to be. given im playing through ocarina of time as we speak, really puts their fall from grace into perspective; now dont get me wrong, i dont mean the zelda franchise, those games have remained fun to play, but the road nintendo has set itself on is just horrible. i say they give up now, and do what atari and sega did. stick to making games for the companies that are still relevant and keep up-ing the ante. i say that if steam does indeed develop their own system, nintendo should sign over and develop games for them; i can see steam being among the new top 3
----------
"i seem to be find a lot that apparently dont contain the .exe actually" -Anonymous "Has anyone really been far as decided to use even go want to look more like?" -Pherioxus |
Haha, you guys are funny.
Juja
Location: Utah Joined: May 27 2007 |
Haha, you guys are funny. This reminds me of all the stuff people would say in 2005. People talking about how Nintendo should just give up and that the Wii and DS are the crazy ideas that will finally put Nintendo out of business, but then Wii and DS ended up being Nintendo's best selling console and portable ever. While I don't think the 3DS and WiiU can reach the levels of success that DS and Wii did, they'll probably do well enough for Nintendo. As of right now, the 3DS basically is the whole video game market in Japan; just check the media create weekly sales on Neogaf. It remains to see how WiiU will do, but that really depends on what games they have. Having an enhanced Dragon Quest X at launch for WiiU will certainly help in Japan. |
Re: Haha, you guys are funny.
Giogiogio4
For all the dreamers: Our planet's dream is not over yet... Joined: Jun 10 2010 |
Juja said
Nintendo's only strength right now is to market to children. The 3DS did Horrible at launch and Nintendo's poor planning had the system without any real games for 6+Months. And Sadly the only thing to save that Handheld was a rehash of a Zelda Game. Japan in the gaming world is nothing more then a sad shell of it's former self. The price drop and every little kid wanting one at Christmas is what saved it. Nintendo has this way of Marketing to people who have no clue about gaming or still poop their pants. Large sell numbers don't dictate quality. The Iphone and Ipad sell more then the xbox and ps3, Does that make them better gaming systems like every says? Twilight and Justin bieber sell more then LOTR and FF OSTs but does that make them better? I will go further and Point out that Nintendo does realize this with their attempts to "win back the core gamer" with putting "HD" into the Wii U. They also are shooting Ads out targeting older teens/20's making the 3Ds look like the Fun In thing to do with friends.
----------
My Art for sale! : Here Latest Recording:Man of the World |
Re: Haha, you guys are funny.
Jacob31593
Location: Tampa, FL Joined: Jan 04 2009 |
Giogiogio4 said
true
these devices are largely different
again, these products are aimed at completely different audiences, the world happens to be popping out more little girls than it is nerdy white men who are you to say which is better, you are only one man |
Heh, you seem very upset
Juja
Location: Utah Joined: May 27 2007 |
Heh, you seem very upset Giogio. Anyway, I do agree that Nintendo botched the 3DS launch. I don't think it was really Ocarina of Time that helped turned things around, though. It's a damn fine game, but it was really the price drop, Mario Kart, and Mario 3D Land (and Monster Hunter in Japan). We'll see how things go when they release New Super Mario Bros. 2. 2D Mario games always sell really well. Anyway, as long as they keep putting games that I want on Nintendo systems, I'll keep getting them. Even if WiiU is behind compared to PS4 and X-Box3, it'll still be nice to have Nintendo games in HD. |
If this thread was a fetus I
karathrow
Joined: Oct 26 2010 |
If this thread was a fetus I would abort it. |
Re: If this thread was a fetus I
Jacob31593
Location: Tampa, FL Joined: Jan 04 2009 |
karathrow said
If this thread was an alien I would deport it. |
If this thread was a knee,
Ranulf
I will not join your gametabs. Joined: Oct 15 2009 |
If this thread was a knee, I'd put an arrow through it. |
You know what sold me on the
iamHoustonian
You don’t need to see my identification… Joined: Oct 03 2011 |
You know what sold me on the 3DS? (Besides never owning a DS and seeing the LoZ 25th anniversary one that looks tight) I'm not a fan of the 3D really. It seems like it could be harmful to your eyes. But I would go cross-eyed for this game! It is something any Star Fox fan HAS to experience, even if it's just for 10 seconds haha Plus the new Mario Land 3D game is pretty sweet. |
Re: If this thread was a fetus I
RexLeRouge
IMPACTO Joined: Aug 15 2008 |
karathrow said
If you were a chick, I'd give you babies |
Giogiogio4
For all the dreamers: Our planet's dream is not over yet...
Joined: Jun 10 2010
So what are your thoughts on all the rumors of nextgen gaming having Bans on used games, No backwards compatibility and so forth?
I don't understand the whole Ban against used games. It's a BS argument in my book. Devs are paid plenty. Most people are being mislead in general when it comes to that topic.
Whats a used game? When a gamer trades in 2 old games for a new one the Gamer is Taking a Loan from the game store ( gamestop ). And guess what? It's Gamestop paying Devs for their new games. And when someone Buys a used game they are simply paying gamestop back. And well over 50% of the time none of those used games sell. So gamestop loses money. Look at all the old Ps2,Gamecube games those places have. Thousands of games that wont ever be sold, yet they gave all those gamers the money to buy new games. If anything Gamestop is basically giving Devs cash in hopes someone will pay them back.