Lemon,man,I'd love to say
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Lemon,man,I'd love to say some things,but I don't want to offend you or your mother. All I can say,is that so long as you're enjoying your life,that's just fine,you don't have to do something,for anybody,this is the way you choose to live,and that's fine because a lot of us are the exact same way. Enjoy your life,friend,because in the end that's all that matters,that you can die with a smile on your face and not look back and think "I wish I had played more guitar." |
;) luckily my mom is NOT this
Lemoncobbler
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) Location: SoCal Joined: Dec 22 2010 |
;) luckily my mom is NOT this shitty, this is just a video my friend showed me. Believe me, my parents enjoy music as much as I do. But seriously, somewhere, there is a mom this shitty out there. |
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In which case I say fuck her up the asshole with a porcupine! xD That sucks for your friend,and anyone that has moms like this,I don't really understand what it's like to have a bitch mom because my parents seperated early and it's been a "Who's your best friend" battle ever since,but all I can say is that mom's opinion isn't absolute. :P |
noble and manly music
Jacob31593
Location: Tampa, FL Joined: Jan 04 2009 |
noble and manly music invigorates the spirit, strengthens the wavering man, and incites him to great and worthy deeds |
The part where she said how
Hakoria
Laon King Location: gmt+1 Joined: Apr 03 2011 |
Solutions: move out, volume control, play things she likes. Had this happen to me on occasions so I know what I'm saying, is nostalgic. I never minded it though, wasn't only about music either. On topic of what music is worth: it can have my life and it will/already has, nothing else is more sublime than this. Would quit sex instead of quitting music if I was obligated to choose, although the both mix perfectly so it'd be kind of sad. That's my pov and mother goose has fully accepted it now (father rooster was musician on the side for some years and toured, he knew that music devotion = practice, thus never bothered me when it came to "what are you going to do with your life if you don't study and just play music"). |
Music bantering aside, you
surreal
Eric: tank,godlike Location: Arizona Joined: Jan 04 2009 |
Music bantering aside, you can't spend all your time doing one thing. Well you can, but it makes for a really boring person. There's a lot of potential windows to be broken, lawn gnomes to be stolen, blood to be shed, liquor to be drank, beer to be thrown, alleys to shit in, and people to fuck with out there. Make the most of what little time there is. |
Music is worthless when
RexLeRouge
IMPACTO Joined: Aug 15 2008 |
Music is worthless when you're deaf btw, I so want this invader 100 head :'( |
Hard to say when you're only
Kabukibear
Happy Strumming! Location: Palm Beach Gardens, Florida Joined: Mar 22 2007 |
Hard to say when you're only seeing one side of the situation. For all we know the guy is 28, still living at home, with no job and just sits in his room shredding all day. Sounds like a really frustrated parent who's taking it out on music in general, but it seems like less of "What Music Is Worth, According To My Mom," than "My Future; Worried About By My Mom." |
She has a point to be honest.
Bhael
Location: Newcastle, UK Joined: Feb 18 2010 |
She has a point to be honest. Statistically speaking he's probably not going to get anywhere, or make any contribution to the world of music. If he's still in his teens then she's in the wrong: she should just leave him alone to develop and understand himself, assuming he's got something else on the side like education. But if he's in his 20's and still doing the same shit without any indication of serious material progress then the mother has cause to complain. It would be unmotherly not to. Assuming his silence wasn't for video making purposes, the guy seems to have one of two serious problems. Either he has no backbone and lacks confidence to stand up for himself or he actually doesn't have a clue why he's doing this. I don't know which is worse. Unless the guy has a serious action plan to build a career in music, he should be enrolled on a course/building a CV in case things go to shit. If you have no clue what you're doing you could at least keep your options open. I think a lot of people use music as an excuse for sloth. I'm not one of those 'give back to society' people, but I hate it when people don't have a clue what they're doing or any sense of direction in life. Grab life by the balls imo. Happiness isn't the be all end all. If all you care about is happiness go live under a rock somewhere in blissful ignorance. Self deceit isn't hard when all you're concerned about is how you feel. I think we should aspire to something slightly greater than a preference of neurotransmitters. That's my opinion anyway. Edit: But as Kabuki say's, we don't know enough of the situation to really comment.
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Agreed Kabuki, relevant
musenji
Joined: Feb 02 2010 |
Agreed Kabuki, relevant factors: -his age. If he's in his 20's, lives at home with no degree, doesn't contribute any rent or chores, plays loudly thereby disturbing others in the house, has no plan about the future, and his mom has spoken with him before about hoping he doesn't waste his life, well, power to her. If he's 16, most of the other points aren't nearly as relevant. He wouldn't be expected to contribute rent, wouldn't necessarily have a plan for the future yet, wouldn't have a degree obviously. Being respectful noise-wise is still relevant. ******************* Bhael, I agree with paragraphs 1, 2, and 3. 4 I disagree with, probably because I wouldn't define "happiness" as "living under a rock somewhere in blissful ignorance". Happiness involves fully engaging one's capacities/abilities, and it's much more than just "feeling good" (hedonism). In order to be happy, I think a person has to be productive to some extent. Living under a rock in ignorance sounds more like numb apathy, than bliss. It's probably just a semantic difference, and what I call "happiness" you might call "self-actualization" or "lasting joy"?
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I would almost understand if
Lemoncobbler
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) Location: SoCal Joined: Dec 22 2010 |
I would almost understand if he was 28, but no, this guy is 17. And actually even if all he does is play music and shred all day, I don't think that was the right way for her to say "go out and do other things". Instead, she says "your hobby is fucking stupid and you should feel bad." If he was playing his music too loud, she should have asked him to wear headphones. If he didn't want to then, I would take away his speakers or something, but she didn't have to tell him his hobby wasn't going to contribute to anything. |
Yes indeed musenji, we do
Bhael
Location: Newcastle, UK Joined: Feb 18 2010 |
Yes indeed musenji, we do have different definitions of happiness. I see it as a feeling, the cause of which being irrelevant to it's actual meaning. You see it as something more objective, in which case I agree with it's pursuit. As you say, I was arguing against a form of hedonism. Yeah Lemon if he's 17 I think the mom should lay off his back a bit. I still don't think she's completely in the wrong, and he may be somekind of dropout. Still, I think people that age should be given some space.
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Ouch
Speedfreak
I need to practice Location: Fort Collins, CO Joined: Feb 27 2012 |
Wow that was dark and ugly, definitely bigger issues going on there. I like everybody's comments in here and I think there's an argument for ignorance of the mother after some of the over-generalizations she's said. That combined with frustration (obviously she's seething over this all the time). That was hard to watch, pretty awkward . I feel bad for him. |
I can relate to this kid a
karathrow
Joined: Oct 26 2010 |
I can relate to this kid a lot. I understand parental frustration but this is just ridiculous. In some ways to me this is worse than hitting your kids. Telling them they are worthless and tearing apart what makes them passionate. Say this kid DID get somewhere and made it big, where do you think his mother would be when the money started rolling in? Do you think she would say "Oh we always supported him blah blah". I realize this is one sided, maybe she had a bad day. I simply don't know. What I do know is this looks bad and I feel like as a society the things we tell people they have to do to be worth something is bullshit. EDIT: Also I think using your goals in life as a metric to judge other people's lives is complete bullshit. You shouldn't look down on people just because they don't share your aspirations. A lot of the most influential people in any field were told they were wasting their life or making a mistake. If everyone took this cynical attitude and nobody had their head in the clouds humanity wouldn't have achieved what we have. EDIT 2: There is no such thing as rising above "happiness" or actions of self-interest. Every action is an action of self-interest. |
MUST...KILL...!
TheDoomOfAllFires
VG Maniak Location: France Joined: Aug 26 2008 |
KILL IT ! KILL IT WITH FIRE !
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Re: MUST...KILL...!
karathrow
Joined: Oct 26 2010 |
TheDoomOfAllFires said
whoa youre alive. |
Re: I can relate to this kid a
Bhael
Location: Newcastle, UK Joined: Feb 18 2010 |
karathrow said
Well I think she may be more concerned by the fact that he's not even responding. It could mean he doesn't have a clue, or he thinks she isn't worth responding to - which will obviously offend her. If you look at her as a human being rather than some tyrannical force of nature most of her anger may come from his inability to communicate with her. It may actually be lonliness. Although I think at that age he should be given some space, he is old enough to have: 1. The decency/backbone to respond - she doesn't sound psycho afterall (at least not to me) I don't understand all this hating on the mother. This is obviously something that has built up overtime - and by the way she began the conversation this particular confrontation is something she had put some thought into. Although I agree that parent's should be open minded about the nature of goals, there's nothing wrong with encouraging the child to have a broad range of skills rather than just one. It's just making sure that when the child is mature enough to know what he wants from life, he doesn't have to go back and pick up the pieces. I doubt she meant all she said about music; it was probably a reaction against him investing too much value in it. She just wants her son to have a safety net. Of course every action is self interest - I was stating that along those lines there are things of more intrinsic interest to the self than the common perception of happiness. If that was in response to me lol. The only thing I find disturbing about this video is the guy's reaction. He's obviously afraid of his mom, and seems to suffer from a lack of confidence. She's approaching this in the wrong way, but that doesn't make her wrong. Since everyone's calling her a bitch I doubt he'll ever learn that. It may be the mother is indeed an evil malcious bitch who enjoys trampling on peoples dreams, but she just seems like an angry mum to me.
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I can empathize with parental
karathrow
Joined: Oct 26 2010 |
I can empathize with parental frustration and worries. I cannot empathize with her methods. |
Re: I can empathize with parental
Bhael
Location: Newcastle, UK Joined: Feb 18 2010 |
karathrow said
Me neither, and if he were younger I would be apalled by this video. He's effectively an adult though, so he should get what she's trying to say.
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Lawl if he's already pulling
Hakoria
Laon King Location: gmt+1 Joined: Apr 03 2011 |
Lawl if he's already pulling a nhk Satou bad end: future 50 y.o, at parents' and unemployed.
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pfff what a loser.
SalemJenet
Joined: Sep 22 2011 |
pfff what a loser. |
Lol.She made me
Giogiogio4
For all the dreamers: Our planet's dream is not over yet... Joined: Jun 10 2010 |
BTW He is 17 going on 18. SO he just turned or has been 18 for a little while. Lol. She made me laugh. Honestly what is she doing that's any better? From what I seen her actions have not Contributed to my life at all or done anything that's mattered to me or anyone I know. It really does not matter If she's making 100k+ a day doing some horrible cubicle job. Life is life, Money isn't the main goal. it's doing what we enjoy and what matters to Us. Our generation? Really? Im sure it's Her generation that is running the Country into the ground, her generation full of morons that continually care more about "curse words" on tv then crime. It's his life to do what he wants. She obviously thinks that a "social" life is more important then self improvement and happiness. She's another Ignorant woman who thinks gossip and TV shows are more import.people like them have no idea on how hard and how long it takes to actually get good at something because they just date people who have these things instead of doing anything themselves. It's a Parents role to always believe in their child. It does not matter what "degree" he has or where he works. her generation made it even harder for us to get into college anyways. it's like 5Xs+ the amount it was in her day, if she even has one.
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Lemoncobbler
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these people exist