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a question (about movie and anime/cartoon tabs)

diralark

Joined: Dec 10 2009

hello ! Is a "Colors of the Wind" (from Pocahontas) tablature is submittable on gametabs.net ? I made a tab of that :-P


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Do we have any other western

karathrow

Joined: Oct 26 2010

Do we have any other western stuff under "anime"? Idunno, Im gonna guess the answer is no.

Youre welcome to post it and share on the forums however.

hahahha fucking Pocahontas

Lemoncobbler

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hahahha fucking Pocahontas tabs! please upload it, i'd love to try it.
on a similar note, I was going to tab reflection from mulan~ haahha we should have a disney tab thread

Some Disney games had video

Hakoria

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Some Disney games had video games (Hercules for example) and some tracks might be in both movie and game, so when that's the case I believe there's no need to hesitate. For non-game ones I'm not sure though simply sharing it in the forum is already a good start indeed.

Re: hahahha fucking Pocahontas

yashakenkyaku

Joined: Nov 24 2009

Lemoncobbler said

haahha we should have a disney tab thread

+1

Re: Some Disney games had video

karathrow

Joined: Oct 26 2010

Hakoria said

Some Disney games had video games (Hercules for example) and some tracks might be in both movie and game, so when that's the case I believe there's no need to hesitate. For non-game ones I'm not sure though simply sharing it in the forum is already a good start indeed.

Yeah but again that brings in the question of "if we allow a disney movie song that was also used in the game do we allow rock band/guitar hero/piles of rhythym games music?"

That was worded terribly but I think as a general rule if it wasn't originally created for the game we may want to say no.

Not that my opinion means shit though, jussayin.

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Ennea

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Revolution!

@kara: ah indeed, I had

Hakoria

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@kara: ah indeed, I had forgotten about that discussion.
In a sense, disney movie music which was made for disney movies (if you don't include modest mussogorsky's night on the bald mountain for fantasia for example, that was made much earlier I believe so it wasn't originally for disney's Fantasia; same goes for Paul Dukas's Sorcerer Apprentice and countless other tracks Disney bought the rights to) are different than mainstream music which was simply bought by a video game company. On GTA we hear radio pieces that are from our radios, thus it's not game music and no one tabs them for this site, but disney soundtracks aren't radio music just like how anime osts aren't.

Then the problem would be if we would do the same for real movies that are made into games and even other scenarios-> so I think it's best not to bother entirely, other sites (probably?) are handling this and as it is games have enough pieces to tab/enjoy anyway.

Why are anime osts actually here? I've always found it weird that it's the exception while most of this western-oriented community know western-cartoons music more (T&J, Tex Avery, courage, etc). Anime fanbase here isn't particularly dominant, while all of us have pretty much seen those CN shows. I don't mind though <: And that was up to archard to decide long ago whenever he added that section.

Movie Tabs

Speedfreak

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Hmm, I like the sound of a Disney thread. If that were the case then would all movie themes be allowed? Opens up a can of worms really. I'm for that as long as movie tabs are the themes to movies and not songs off the soundtrack. Does that make sense? It's kinda hard to explain but if the focus were on themes to movies rather than actual artist/band songs from the soundtrack, why not? An example would be like the theme of Star Wars, but not the White Zombie song off the Jerry Maguire Soundtrack. And it's funny guitar hero and rock band were brought up. I'm kinda new to the site still and just assumed those games don't count since it's all real music and this site is all game music. It makes sense why those games aren't on here. Just my opinion, no big deal.

Re: @kara: ah indeed, I had

karathrow

Joined: Oct 26 2010

Hakoria said

@kara: ah indeed, I had forgotten about that discussion.
In a sense, disney movie music which was made for disney movies (if you don't include modest mussogorsky's night on the bald mountain for fantasia for example, that was made much earlier I believe so it wasn't originally for disney's Fantasia; same goes for Paul Dukas's Sorcerer Apprentice and countless other tracks Disney bought the rights to) are different than mainstream music which was simply bought by a video game company. On GTA we hear radio pieces that are from our radios, thus it's not game music and no one tabs them for this site, but disney soundtracks aren't radio music just like how anime osts aren't.

Then the problem would be if we would do the same for real movies that are made into games and even other scenarios-> so I think it's best not to bother entirely, other sites (probably?) are handling this and as it is games have enough pieces to tab/enjoy anyway.

Why are anime osts actually here? I've always found it weird that it's the exception while most of this western-oriented community know western-cartoons music more (T&J, Tex Avery, courage, etc). Anime fanbase here isn't particularly dominant, while all of us have pretty much seen those CN shows. I don't mind though <: And that was up to archard to decide long ago whenever he added that section.

Yeah I found it a bit weird too but *shrug*.

. I'm kinda new to the site still and just assumed those games don't count since it's all real music and this site is all game music. It makes sense why those games aren't on here. Just my opinion, no big deal.

How is a song from a movie any less "real" than a song from the radio?

No no you miss my point; I

Speedfreak

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No no you miss my point; I mean a theme to a movie, the Star Wars Theme or Willy Wonka's Pure Imagination,as opposed to songs such as Nirvana's Smells Like Teen Spirit that appear on a soundtrack. We allow music for games, themes you could call them (music written specifically for the game), therefore music for movies (music written specifically for the movie) should be same....which is different from songs on the Billboard that are scooped up for a soundtrack. Those aren't made for any movies or anything as they're albums by artists/bands. Honestly I'm more than happy with just games (and anime by default), just throwing it out there that's all.

I mean technically I could ask the same, how is a song written for a game any less "real" than a song from a movie or radio?

Re: No no you miss my point; I

karathrow

Joined: Oct 26 2010

Speedfreak said

No no you miss my point; I mean a theme to a movie, the Star Wars Theme or Willy Wonka's Pure Imagination,as opposed to songs such as Nirvana's Smells Like Teen Spirit that appear on a soundtrack. We allow music for games, themes you could call them (music written specifically for the game), therefore music for movies (music written specifically for the movie) should be same....which is different from songs on the Billboard that are scooped up for a soundtrack. Those aren't made for any movies or anything as they're albums by artists/bands. Honestly I'm more than happy with just games (and anime by default), just throwing it out there that's all.

I mean technically I could ask the same, how is a song written for a game any less "real" than a song from a movie or radio?

The thing is there are plenty of other sites that have non-game focused sheet music/tablature. The point of gametabs is specifically video game music tablature. Arguing semantics to allow music that wasnt originally created FOR the game just detracts from the focus of the site.

too bad pocahontas wasnt in

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too bad pocahontas wasnt in kingdom hearts, then it might have been possible; like halloween town, that would never have been posted if not for kingdom hearts, i dont think... god knows theres a nightmare before christmas game out there.

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Speedfreak

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"The thing is there are plenty of other sites that have non-game focused sheet music/tablature. The point of gametabs is specifically video game music tablature. Arguing semantics to allow music that wasnt originally created FOR the game just detracts from the focus of the site."

Makes perfect sense, Gametabs will keep on keeping on!

Re: too bad pocahontas wasnt in

Hakoria

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wayfaerer said

too bad pocahontas wasnt in kingdom hearts, then it might have been possible; like halloween town, that would never have been posted if not for kingdom hearts, i dont think... god knows theres a nightmare before christmas game out there.

http://www.gamespot.com/tim-burtons-the-nightmare-before-christmas-oogie/

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Re: too bad pocahontas wasnt in

wayfaerer

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Hakoria said

wayfaerer said

too bad pocahontas wasnt in kingdom hearts, then it might have been possible; like halloween town, that would never have been posted if not for kingdom hearts, i dont think... god knows theres a nightmare before christmas game out there.

http://www.gamespot.com/tim-burtons-the-nightmare-before-christmas-oogie/

<:

knew it. and i also somehow knew it would be laon (though i expected kara as well) to post a link.

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archard didnt want anything

Jacob31593

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archard didnt want anything western to be added to the site
archard doesnt own the site anymore

I'm too busy for read all of

Pasto

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I'm too busy for read all of this, but I think that we should stop with this "anime only" stuff.
If we have space for anime in a site called gametabs, than we should have space for cartoon as well.
This is my opinion .w.
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I'm always a little perplexed

surreal

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I'm always a little perplexed when people place the "This is only my opinion, man." disclaimer after stating a point of view.

I'm quite aware of that, but pointing it out heavily dissuades me from attempting to bother with a rebuttal (or at the least, a reply).

People shouldn't be so uncontentious.

I'd be for game music only on

Kabukibear

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I'd be for game music only on gametabs. That is pretty much the entire point of the site, so when you start adding sections like anime or movies you might as well allow everything and become another ultimate-guitar.com and they have a huge head start.

I think what sets this site out from all the other tab sites is it's tightly focused vision. I'd be for doing away with the anime category all together. Tabs that are from other genres could still be easily shared in the forums and would make this discussion moot.

Makes sense to me! How many

auriplane

Joined: Sep 06 2008

Makes sense to me! How many anime tabs do we have, anyway?

EDIT: We have 311 anime tabs, out of 4784. That's about 1 in every 15 tabs. That might make a bunch of people unhappy :-(

So, your idea is those tabs could be posted in a forum instead? (If people wanted to.)

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If I remember correctly,

natenmn

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If I remember correctly, Archard registered animetabs.net a long time ago. Depending on its availability, I think Ash should gobble it up and finally open a sister site to Gametabs.

I envision red instead of green for the theme, and sheet music wedged between some anime breasts instead of being barfed up by an NES for the logo.

^Wonderful logo idea.I've

Hakoria

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^Wonderful logo idea.

I've been more into tabbing anime pieces anyway so I'd support the sister-site idea. I had even contemplated bringing up such a topic since I've gotten back into playing guitar this month; didn't because I haven't even googled to see if there was actually a working site/community that does this. Not saying there should only be one, undoubtedly there are other tab sites for games?
I did tab some Touhou but since it was from doujin-circle re-arranges they don't fit here, never worked on game-music by ear otherwise, I just waste time on forum/irc(notrecentlythoughstillneedcableohlawd).

Why red though?

I like the idea of a sister

Bhael

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I like the idea of a sister site!! Finally a place to host my film tabs :).

Re: I'd be for game music only on

RexLeRouge

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Kabukibear said

I'd be for game music only on gametabs. That is pretty much the entire point of the site, so when you start adding sections like anime or movies you might as well allow everything and become another ultimate-guitar.com

or lonlonjptabs.net ...

+1 with Kabuki

Re: ^Wonderful logo idea.I've

natenmn

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Hakoria said

Why red though?

I was only semi-serious, although I guess my personal preference for it would be red. Any color distinction would be nice. I think separate sites that can be distinguished easily, but are able to keep a high level of integration with one another would be the way to go.

It would also set the stage for other possible sister sites like Movietabs.net or Pr0ntabs.net or something (although I'm not necessarily proposing more sister sites, because other websites like Ultimate Guitar easily cover those areas with all the content they currently have). Each one could be unique with its own appropriate default color theme.

The idea of the "sister-site"

Pasto

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The idea of the "sister-site" is really good. I like that.
Gametabs for the Games only and the other one for Anime & Cartoon.
Oh btw, "this is my opinion" °w°"
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Re: Makes sense to me! How many

Kabukibear

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auriplane said

Makes sense to me! How many anime tabs do we have, anyway?

EDIT: We have 311 anime tabs, out of 4784. That's about 1 in every 15 tabs. That might make a bunch of people unhappy :-(

So, your idea is those tabs could be posted in a forum instead? (If people wanted to.)

Yikes, I didn't realize we had so many. Well, my main thought was people who did tabs of anything other than games could share them in the forums. I know I've done plenty that I've never shared because they were from either animes, movies, cartoons, classical, etc. I'm not sure why it never occurred to me before to share them here.

However, that is quite a lot of tabs. Is there any way to check the action those tabs are getting? I mean, the number of hits those pages get comparative to the number the game pages get?

I'm really not a fan of

Bhael

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I'm really not a fan of ultimateguitar. The stuff I find there that isn't transcriptions is mostly junk, often half length. I don't think it's nearly as organised and accessible as gametabs. If you're going to make an entire site for anime (which as auri states is only 1 in 15 of game tabs) you may as well bulk it up with movies.

Re: ^Wonderful logo idea.I've

Kabukibear

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natenmn said

Hakoria said

Why red though?

I was only semi-serious, although I guess my personal preference for it would be red. Any color distinction would be nice. I think separate sites that can be distinguished easily, but are able to keep a high level of integration with one another would be the way to go.

It would also set the stage for other possible sister sites like Movietabs.net or Pr0ntabs.net or something (although I'm not necessarily proposing more sister sites, because other websites like Ultimate Guitar easily cover those areas with all the content they currently have). Each one could be unique with its own appropriate default color theme.

That's an interesting thought, keep the general layout the same for each site but change the colors and logo and content. Almost like a site network...for lack of a better example, like the bangbros network. (sorry, I couldn't think of another example quickly)where, while on one site you can view all other sites in the network and switch between them easily.

I like the possibilities of this.

Re: I'm really not a fan of

natenmn

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Kabukibear said

Is there any way to check the action those tabs are getting? I mean, the number of hits those pages get comparative to the number the game pages get?

I don't know about tabs from other people, but when all my lonlonjp tabs were still on the site, the anime ones were the most viewed by a large margin.


Bhael said

If you're going to make an entire site for anime (which as auri states is only 1 in 15 of game tabs) you may as well bulk it up with movies.

This is a good idea. My brain is not coming up with a good name that would cover movies, anime, and cartoons, though.

Re: I'm really not a fan of

Kabukibear

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natenmn said

Kabukibear said

Is there any way to check the action those tabs are getting? I mean, the number of hits those pages get comparative to the number the game pages get?

I don't know about tabs from other people, but when all my lonlonjp tabs were still on the site, the anime ones were the most viewed by a large margin.


Bhael said

If you're going to make an entire site for anime (which as auri states is only 1 in 15 of game tabs) you may as well bulk it up with movies.

This is a good idea. My brain is not coming up with a good name that would cover movies, anime, and cartoons, though.

Tvtabs? ScreenTabs? I dunno either

Yeah, I just checked my own stats and my arrangement from Spirited Away is #11 in view count for my tabs, with over 2,000 today alone. Hmm.

Kabukibear said like the

natenmn

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Kabukibear said

like the bangbros network.

Holy shit lmao XD. I was thinking more like Gamespot or IGN, but yeah, that's a good example, too.

www.filmtabs.net has a nice

Bhael

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www.filmtabs.net has a nice sound to it. Technically movies, cartoons and anime fit into the category of 'film'.

bangbros, god damnit.Not

Hakoria

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bangbros, god damnit.

Not making it only for anime is a wise choice, I might finally rework my fingerstyle amelie poulain arranges like this. Jac could even add his Goose God cover/tab. Ash needs to be summoned to supervise this though.

No particular good idea for a good name. One that gives less inclination to one of the three genres (cartoon/movie/anime) would be fairest, filmtab for example is more movie-oriented for a french speaker like me or rex since film = movie, but that's not actually the most dramatic problem in the world either <:

Views today is broken. It

auriplane

Joined: Sep 06 2008

Views today is broken. It hasn't been resetting the counter at midnight for a couple months. Just FYI.

To get stats on anime tabs, I think we'd have to ask Ash. Well, you could run a script across the set of users who have tabs in anime, fetch their stats pages, then sum it up versus other users. But it'd be less work if Ash did it, since he can just query the db :-)

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Well the sister sites could

Pasto

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Well the sister sites could be one for the Anime/Cartoon ( Animetabs ), and another one for Movies/Tv Shows ( Movietabs ), I think there is no problem to move the Anime tabs there. I Made an anime tab too and I'm fine with that .w.

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Wahh

diralark

Joined: Dec 10 2009

a lot of answers, I expected an Yes/No so thanks . I read all but .. a bit confusing .. well I'm going to simply submit my tab & we will see what is going to happen

If you want a yes or no, the

auriplane

Joined: Sep 06 2008

If you want a yes or no, the answer is no! At the moment :-)

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Re: ^Wonderful logo idea.I've

karathrow

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natenmn said

Pr0ntabs.net

Nate you asshole you made me do a spit take on my monitor. Goddamit all to hell.

EDIT, I like TV tabs because be it anime/films/cartoons/tv shows whatever you still watch it on a "TV" whereas "film" or "anime" sounds more exclusive.

I'm probably just nitpicking though.

Re: If you want a yes or no, the

diralark

Joined: Dec 10 2009

Ha thanks then no problemo I'll find another website to publish this kind of tabs. I made also songs tabs (with lyrics) or some Yiruma (pianist) conversion so I really need open an other account elsewhere. It's probably hard to find a place as pretty as gametabs.net -_-' but I 'll try to seek the best website among the 911tabs list http://www.911tabs.com/about/stats.htm

This thread is full of

Pasto

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This thread is full of sadness . . . Pasta Boy To The Rescue ! ! !

Pasta is so Yummi !

Btw, I'm still on the idea that if Anime tabs can be on Gametabs, than Cartoon tabs can be ok as well.
Seriously, I can't get why anime are ok and cartoon are not . . . Is like allowing japanese videogame tabs only.
But maybe if we start to put cartoon tabs other person will say : "Hey this is from a tv show ! Why cartoon are fine and tv show are not ?" and this will go on over and over .w.
In any case i'm fine with everything the snail girl sayng. So if she say no is NO ! ! !
Best choice will probably be a ( cute little ) sister site after all ( and I think that if one day that site will be on, we should move our anime tabs there ).
Sorry for all the Bad Engrish .w.

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Re: I was actually going to

N0Stars

Joined: May 22 2011

This post was copied from this thread by a mod.

natenmn said

I was actually going to upload this when I merged his two threads, but I don't know how I feel about it so I figured I'd let another mod upload the tab if they thought it was alright. Hopefully people don't start submitting Star Wars themes under the guise of Rogue Squadron tabs or something.

It might be a good idea to PM Ash about this.

I don't really understand why we block tabs of songs that aren't original to the games they are found in. Videogames don't borrow a lot of music, so it's unlikely that arrangements of original soundtracks will be buried by tabs of secondhand tunes. Also, most of the songs videogames do get from outside sources are of interest to members of the Gametabs community

I can see why we would block songs from video games like Rockband (I don't think gametabs needs to host fifty different tabs for Smoke on the Water), but there is a fundamental difference between the way music is used in beat games and other genres: in beat games the song is the game, while in all genres, the song is used as a theme or BGM.

I think the only reason a borrowed song should be rejected is that it isn't a theme within the game. We've been hosting borrowed songs for years, and it has only benefited the site.

Barring a few exceptions, any content is good content.

Re: I was actually going to

natenmn

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I am going to pick apart this post because I feel it is a good one and should be addressed in a thoughtful manner.

NorthStar said

I don't really understand why we block tabs of songs that aren't original to the games they are found in. Videogames don't borrow a lot of music, so it's unlikely that arrangements of original soundtracks will be buried by tabs of secondhand tunes.

So far, I don't think any tabs have been denied if they are competent and can be found in a game. Video games may not borrow much music from other mediums in general, but this should be looked at on a game-by-game basis. For example, the Rogue Squadron games contain a large amount of music which is licensed from the original Star Wars movies.

Also, most of the songs videogames do get from outside sources are of interest to members of the Gametabs community

A lot of Gametabs members are interested in Bach, but that doesn't mean that Bach tabs should be hosted on Gametabs. Posting a Bach tab on the forums would be fine, though.

I can see why we would block songs from video games like Rockband (I don't think gametabs needs to host fifty different tabs for Smoke on the Water), but there is a fundamental difference between the way music is used in beat games and other genres: in beat games the song is the game, while in all genres, the song is used as a theme or BGM.

I think that there is also a fundamental difference in this scenario. We have music from video games and then we have music from movies which are licensed for use in video games. The music was not originally made for the video game. To use your Smoke on the Water analogy, I also don't think that Gametabs needs to host 50 different tabs for the same Star Wars theme. I'd hazard a guess that most of these games include a non-arranged Star Wars theme:

  • Rogue Squadron
  • Rogue Squadron 2
  • Rogue Squadron 3
  • X-wing vs. Tie-Fighter
  • The Force Unleashed
  • Shadows of the Empire
  • Knights of the Old Republic
  • Knights of the Old Republic 2
  • The Old Republic MMO
  • Star Wars Galaxies
  • Jedi Academy
  • Jedi Academy 2
  • Battle Front
  • Battle Front 2
  • Lego Star Wars
  • Pod Racing
  • Jedi Knight
  • Galactic Battlegrounds
  • Super Star Wars
  • Super Empire Strikes Back
  • Rebel Assault
  • One of the other dozens of games that I couldn't think up off the top of my head

If the licensed music is arranged for a video game and differs from the movie in some way, then I do not see an issue with those tabs being uploaded to Gametabs.

I think the only reason a borrowed song should be rejected is that it isn't a theme within the game. We've been hosting borrowed songs for years, and it has only benefited the site.

While I am not necessarily against it, I don't like the idea of making a tab directly from a movie's music because it could contain significant differences from the music that is within the game. This is a valid reason to reject a tab. There can be small differences in music from a game and music from a movie.

Oftentimes licensed music is arranged specifically for a game. Because the website is called Gametabs, I think it is important that tabs are made with the game as the basis instead of the movie as the basis. I think tabs that genuinely use the game as the source are perfectly fine.

Barring a few exceptions, any content is good content.

I do not agree with this. There are more than a few exceptions such as accuracy, readability, playability, authenticity, similarity (to other tabs that are currently up), category (is it actually a game tab?), etc. The mods check every tab for these types of things before uploading them and will deny tabs that don't meet their personal standards. Occasionally, poor tabs will slip through, but it is somewhat rare now.

You could argue that intent

auriplane

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You could argue that intent matters. Trying to shoehorn a non-game tab in by finding a game that includes it that you've never heard of or played doesn't make it a "game tab", IMO.

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Re: You could argue that intent

karathrow

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auriplane said

You could argue that intent matters. Trying to shoehorn a non-game tab in by finding a game that includes it that you've never heard of or played doesn't make it a "game tab", IMO.

Thank you!

Wait, what?

Speedfreak

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So you're saying it's cool to post non-video game music (i.e. Bach, Tárrega, Weiss, etc...) in forums, both tabs and videos? With moderation of course, not intending to flood forums with that or anything :D

Re: Wait, what?

karathrow

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Speedfreak said

So you're saying it's cool to post non-video game music (i.e. Bach, Tárrega, Weiss, etc...) in forums, both tabs and videos? With moderation of course, not intending to flood forums with that or anything :D

Not that is absolutely not what's being said at all. I'm not sure where you got that from.

Re: I was actually going to

N0Stars

Joined: May 22 2011

Ahhh...looks like I posted in the wrong thread again. Sorry about that, I didn't realize the conversation was taking place elsewhere. Thanks for redirecting me.

natenmn said

So far, I don't think any tabs have been denied if they are competent and can be found in a game. Video games may not borrow much music from other mediums in general, but this should be looked at on a game-by-game basis.

The problem with judging tabs on a game-by-game basis is that the verdict can be largely based on opinion. I don't think that it causes problems very often, but it does run the risk of creating conflicts because of its subjective nature. A tabber that had his or her work rejected might point to a similar tab that was accepted and accuse the site of having inconsistent standards. Having strong guidelines in place would make the review process a lot more streamlined. The two extreme guideline examples, all music from any game is accepted, and, only original game music is accepted, both seem unpopular. I suggested that only borrowed songs used as themes should accepted, but there other shades of grey (borrowed songs must be audibly different, for example).

natenmn said

A lot of Gametabs members are interested in Bach, but that doesn't mean that Bach tabs should be hosted on Gametabs. Posting a Bach tab on the forums would be fine, though.

I just thought this was a funny coincidence. I had cited Kabuki's Chromatic Fantasia tab as an example of a borrowed song in the previous thread.

I think that there is also a fundamental difference in this scenario. We have music from video games and then we have music from movies which are licensed for use in video games. The music was not originally made for the video game. To use your Smoke on the Water analogy, I also don't think that Gametabs needs to host 50 different tabs for the same Star Wars theme

This issue really just comes down to a matter of opinion. I believe that borrowed songs have a place inside the Gametabs archives and that the site is better off by allowing them. If somebody wants to post a Star Wars Theme tab, I say let them; there really aren't that many guitar arrangements for Star Wars music on the internet, and that applies to the bulk of third-party music found in video games. Another difference between Rock Band/Guitar Hero tracks and other borrowed tunes is that the former is almost always arranged for guitar, while the latter is typically not. The extra effort required to arrange a song for another instrument greatly decreases the number of tabs that are produced. This is why the site won't be swamped by fifty arrangements of the Star Wars theme. They simply don't exist in that number.

Oftentimes licensed music is arranged specifically for a game. Because the website is called Gametabs, I think it is important that tabs are made with the game as the basis instead of the movie as the basis. I think tabs that genuinely use the game as the source are perfectly fine.

Evaluating whether or not a tab is based on the in-game arrangement would be immensely difficult. The criteria for judging an arrangement should be based on the nature of the song rather than the nature of the tab. I agree that we should reject tabs of licensed music in some instances (Rockband tracks or in game-radio stations) to keep the purpose of Gametabs unique, but if I had to choose between the two extremes I mentioned above, I would prefer that we allow all borrowed music. The Gametabs community is well established and strong enough to maintain the site's purpose, and allowing the submission of second hand songs won't change that.

Barring a few exceptions, any content is good content.

I do not agree with this. There are more than a few exceptions such as accuracy, readability, playability, authenticity, similarity (to other tabs that are currently up), category (is it actually a game tab?), etc. The mods check every tab for these types of things before uploading them and will deny tabs that don't meet their personal standards. Occasionally, poor tabs will slip through, but it is somewhat rare now.

Sorry, that statement was kind of vague. By content, I meant the variety of songs that we accept, not the tabs themselves. I agree with you fully that tabs should be judged using the criteria you listed before being published.

As, for the "screentabs" option, I think it's and interesting idea that would render this whole discussion irrelevant. However, the creation of a sister site may have some undesirable consequences. By dividing the site, the community may also be divided reducing member diversity. If a second site is built, the forum should be shared to prevent a migration of members.

Come on

Speedfreak

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Joined: Feb 27 2012

Karathrow:

Not that is absolutely not what's being said at all. I'm not sure where you got that from.

What? Really?

Karathrow:

A lot of Gametabs members are interested in Bach, but that doesn't mean that Bach tabs should be hosted on Gametabs. Posting a Bach tab on the forums would be fine, though.

I expanded a little on your Bach reference with the other composers I mentioned and was asking if you mean videos too since you said tabs would be fine. Sorry about the confusion.

Re: Wait, what?

Hakoria

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karathrow said

Speedfreak said

So you're saying it's cool to post non-video game music (i.e. Bach, Tárrega, Weiss, etc...) in forums, both tabs and videos? With moderation of course, not intending to flood forums with that or anything :D

Not that is absolutely not what's being said at all. I'm not sure where you got that from.

Speedfreak said 'in forums', and it's been said in this topic that the forum accepts all themes of tabs.
@Speedfreak: Yes, it's cool to post whatever you want on forum if it's well placed. Just keep to only making one thread if you're planning on uploading a lot of different composers' works.

Edit: Geh, you beat me to it yourself ;A;