a question (about movie and anime/cartoon tabs)

karathrow

Joined: Oct 26 2010

Do we have any other western stuff under "anime"? Idunno, Im gonna guess the answer is no.

Youre welcome to post it and share on the forums however.

Hakoria

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Some Disney games had video games (Hercules for example) and some tracks might be in both movie and game, so when that's the case I believe there's no need to hesitate. For non-game ones I'm not sure though simply sharing it in the forum is already a good start indeed.

karathrow

Joined: Oct 26 2010

Hakoria said

Some Disney games had video games (Hercules for example) and some tracks might be in both movie and game, so when that's the case I believe there's no need to hesitate. For non-game ones I'm not sure though simply sharing it in the forum is already a good start indeed.

Yeah but again that brings in the question of "if we allow a disney movie song that was also used in the game do we allow rock band/guitar hero/piles of rhythym games music?"

That was worded terribly but I think as a general rule if it wasn't originally created for the game we may want to say no.

Not that my opinion means shit though, jussayin.

Hakoria

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@kara: ah indeed, I had forgotten about that discussion.
In a sense, disney movie music which was made for disney movies (if you don't include modest mussogorsky's night on the bald mountain for fantasia for example, that was made much earlier I believe so it wasn't originally for disney's Fantasia; same goes for Paul Dukas's Sorcerer Apprentice and countless other tracks Disney bought the rights to) are different than mainstream music which was simply bought by a video game company. On GTA we hear radio pieces that are from our radios, thus it's not game music and no one tabs them for this site, but disney soundtracks aren't radio music just like how anime osts aren't.

Then the problem would be if we would do the same for real movies that are made into games and even other scenarios-> so I think it's best not to bother entirely, other sites (probably?) are handling this and as it is games have enough pieces to tab/enjoy anyway.

Why are anime osts actually here? I've always found it weird that it's the exception while most of this western-oriented community know western-cartoons music more (T&J, Tex Avery, courage, etc). Anime fanbase here isn't particularly dominant, while all of us have pretty much seen those CN shows. I don't mind though <: And that was up to archard to decide long ago whenever he added that section.

karathrow

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Hakoria said

@kara: ah indeed, I had forgotten about that discussion.
In a sense, disney movie music which was made for disney movies (if you don't include modest mussogorsky's night on the bald mountain for fantasia for example, that was made much earlier I believe so it wasn't originally for disney's Fantasia; same goes for Paul Dukas's Sorcerer Apprentice and countless other tracks Disney bought the rights to) are different than mainstream music which was simply bought by a video game company. On GTA we hear radio pieces that are from our radios, thus it's not game music and no one tabs them for this site, but disney soundtracks aren't radio music just like how anime osts aren't.

Then the problem would be if we would do the same for real movies that are made into games and even other scenarios-> so I think it's best not to bother entirely, other sites (probably?) are handling this and as it is games have enough pieces to tab/enjoy anyway.

Why are anime osts actually here? I've always found it weird that it's the exception while most of this western-oriented community know western-cartoons music more (T&J, Tex Avery, courage, etc). Anime fanbase here isn't particularly dominant, while all of us have pretty much seen those CN shows. I don't mind though <: And that was up to archard to decide long ago whenever he added that section.

Yeah I found it a bit weird too but *shrug*.

. I'm kinda new to the site still and just assumed those games don't count since it's all real music and this site is all game music. It makes sense why those games aren't on here. Just my opinion, no big deal.

How is a song from a movie any less "real" than a song from the radio?

karathrow

Joined: Oct 26 2010

Speedfreak said

No no you miss my point; I mean a theme to a movie, the Star Wars Theme or Willy Wonka's Pure Imagination,as opposed to songs such as Nirvana's Smells Like Teen Spirit that appear on a soundtrack. We allow music for games, themes you could call them (music written specifically for the game), therefore music for movies (music written specifically for the movie) should be same....which is different from songs on the Billboard that are scooped up for a soundtrack. Those aren't made for any movies or anything as they're albums by artists/bands. Honestly I'm more than happy with just games (and anime by default), just throwing it out there that's all.

I mean technically I could ask the same, how is a song written for a game any less "real" than a song from a movie or radio?

The thing is there are plenty of other sites that have non-game focused sheet music/tablature. The point of gametabs is specifically video game music tablature. Arguing semantics to allow music that wasnt originally created FOR the game just detracts from the focus of the site.

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"The thing is there are plenty of other sites that have non-game focused sheet music/tablature. The point of gametabs is specifically video game music tablature. Arguing semantics to allow music that wasnt originally created FOR the game just detracts from the focus of the site."

Makes perfect sense, Gametabs will keep on keeping on!

wayfaerer

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Hakoria said

wayfaerer said

too bad pocahontas wasnt in kingdom hearts, then it might have been possible; like halloween town, that would never have been posted if not for kingdom hearts, i dont think... god knows theres a nightmare before christmas game out there.

http://www.gamespot.com/tim-burtons-the-nightmare-before-christmas-oogie/

<:

knew it. and i also somehow knew it would be laon (though i expected kara as well) to post a link.

Pasto

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I'm too busy for read all of this, but I think that we should stop with this "anime only" stuff.
If we have space for anime in a site called gametabs, than we should have space for cartoon as well.
This is my opinion .w.
Pasta for everyone now !

Kabukibear

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I'd be for game music only on gametabs. That is pretty much the entire point of the site, so when you start adding sections like anime or movies you might as well allow everything and become another ultimate-guitar.com and they have a huge head start.

I think what sets this site out from all the other tab sites is it's tightly focused vision. I'd be for doing away with the anime category all together. Tabs that are from other genres could still be easily shared in the forums and would make this discussion moot.

natenmn

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If I remember correctly, Archard registered animetabs.net a long time ago. Depending on its availability, I think Ash should gobble it up and finally open a sister site to Gametabs.

I envision red instead of green for the theme, and sheet music wedged between some anime breasts instead of being barfed up by an NES for the logo.

Bhael

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I like the idea of a sister site!! Finally a place to host my film tabs :).

natenmn

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Hakoria said

Why red though?

I was only semi-serious, although I guess my personal preference for it would be red. Any color distinction would be nice. I think separate sites that can be distinguished easily, but are able to keep a high level of integration with one another would be the way to go.

It would also set the stage for other possible sister sites like Movietabs.net or Pr0ntabs.net or something (although I'm not necessarily proposing more sister sites, because other websites like Ultimate Guitar easily cover those areas with all the content they currently have). Each one could be unique with its own appropriate default color theme.

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auriplane said

Makes sense to me! How many anime tabs do we have, anyway?

EDIT: We have 311 anime tabs, out of 4784. That's about 1 in every 15 tabs. That might make a bunch of people unhappy :-(

So, your idea is those tabs could be posted in a forum instead? (If people wanted to.)

Yikes, I didn't realize we had so many. Well, my main thought was people who did tabs of anything other than games could share them in the forums. I know I've done plenty that I've never shared because they were from either animes, movies, cartoons, classical, etc. I'm not sure why it never occurred to me before to share them here.

However, that is quite a lot of tabs. Is there any way to check the action those tabs are getting? I mean, the number of hits those pages get comparative to the number the game pages get?

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natenmn said

Hakoria said

Why red though?

I was only semi-serious, although I guess my personal preference for it would be red. Any color distinction would be nice. I think separate sites that can be distinguished easily, but are able to keep a high level of integration with one another would be the way to go.

It would also set the stage for other possible sister sites like Movietabs.net or Pr0ntabs.net or something (although I'm not necessarily proposing more sister sites, because other websites like Ultimate Guitar easily cover those areas with all the content they currently have). Each one could be unique with its own appropriate default color theme.

That's an interesting thought, keep the general layout the same for each site but change the colors and logo and content. Almost like a site network...for lack of a better example, like the bangbros network. (sorry, I couldn't think of another example quickly)where, while on one site you can view all other sites in the network and switch between them easily.

I like the possibilities of this.

Kabukibear

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natenmn said

Kabukibear said

Is there any way to check the action those tabs are getting? I mean, the number of hits those pages get comparative to the number the game pages get?

I don't know about tabs from other people, but when all my lonlonjp tabs were still on the site, the anime ones were the most viewed by a large margin.

Bhael said

If you're going to make an entire site for anime (which as auri states is only 1 in 15 of game tabs) you may as well bulk it up with movies.

This is a good idea. My brain is not coming up with a good name that would cover movies, anime, and cartoons, though.

Tvtabs? ScreenTabs? I dunno either

Yeah, I just checked my own stats and my arrangement from Spirited Away is #11 in view count for my tabs, with over 2,000 today alone. Hmm.

Bhael

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www.filmtabs.net has a nice sound to it. Technically movies, cartoons and anime fit into the category of 'film'.

auriplane

Joined: Sep 06 2008

Views today is broken. It hasn't been resetting the counter at midnight for a couple months. Just FYI.

To get stats on anime tabs, I think we'd have to ask Ash. Well, you could run a script across the set of users who have tabs in anime, fetch their stats pages, then sum it up versus other users. But it'd be less work if Ash did it, since he can just query the db :-)

diralark

Joined: Dec 10 2009

a lot of answers, I expected an Yes/No so thanks . I read all but .. a bit confusing .. well I'm going to simply submit my tab & we will see what is going to happen

karathrow

Joined: Oct 26 2010

natenmn said

Pr0ntabs.net

Nate you asshole you made me do a spit take on my monitor. Goddamit all to hell.

EDIT, I like TV tabs because be it anime/films/cartoons/tv shows whatever you still watch it on a "TV" whereas "film" or "anime" sounds more exclusive.

I'm probably just nitpicking though.

Pasto

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This thread is full of sadness . . . Pasta Boy To The Rescue ! ! !

Pasta is so Yummi !

Btw, I'm still on the idea that if Anime tabs can be on Gametabs, than Cartoon tabs can be ok as well.
Seriously, I can't get why anime are ok and cartoon are not . . . Is like allowing japanese videogame tabs only.
But maybe if we start to put cartoon tabs other person will say : "Hey this is from a tv show ! Why cartoon are fine and tv show are not ?" and this will go on over and over .w.
In any case i'm fine with everything the snail girl sayng. So if she say no is NO ! ! !
Best choice will probably be a ( cute little ) sister site after all ( and I think that if one day that site will be on, we should move our anime tabs there ).
Sorry for all the Bad Engrish .w.

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I am going to pick apart this post because I feel it is a good one and should be addressed in a thoughtful manner.

NorthStar said

I don't really understand why we block tabs of songs that aren't original to the games they are found in. Videogames don't borrow a lot of music, so it's unlikely that arrangements of original soundtracks will be buried by tabs of secondhand tunes.

So far, I don't think any tabs have been denied if they are competent and can be found in a game. Video games may not borrow much music from other mediums in general, but this should be looked at on a game-by-game basis. For example, the Rogue Squadron games contain a large amount of music which is licensed from the original Star Wars movies.

Also, most of the songs videogames do get from outside sources are of interest to members of the Gametabs community

A lot of Gametabs members are interested in Bach, but that doesn't mean that Bach tabs should be hosted on Gametabs. Posting a Bach tab on the forums would be fine, though.

I can see why we would block songs from video games like Rockband (I don't think gametabs needs to host fifty different tabs for Smoke on the Water), but there is a fundamental difference between the way music is used in beat games and other genres: in beat games the song is the game, while in all genres, the song is used as a theme or BGM.

I think that there is also a fundamental difference in this scenario. We have music from video games and then we have music from movies which are licensed for use in video games. The music was not originally made for the video game. To use your Smoke on the Water analogy, I also don't think that Gametabs needs to host 50 different tabs for the same Star Wars theme. I'd hazard a guess that most of these games include a non-arranged Star Wars theme:

• Rogue Squadron
• Rogue Squadron 2
• Rogue Squadron 3
• X-wing vs. Tie-Fighter
• The Force Unleashed
• Shadows of the Empire
• Knights of the Old Republic
• Knights of the Old Republic 2
• The Old Republic MMO
• Star Wars Galaxies
• Jedi Academy
• Jedi Academy 2
• Battle Front
• Battle Front 2
• Lego Star Wars
• Pod Racing
• Jedi Knight
• Galactic Battlegrounds
• Super Star Wars
• Super Empire Strikes Back
• Rebel Assault
• One of the other dozens of games that I couldn't think up off the top of my head

If the licensed music is arranged for a video game and differs from the movie in some way, then I do not see an issue with those tabs being uploaded to Gametabs.

I think the only reason a borrowed song should be rejected is that it isn't a theme within the game. We've been hosting borrowed songs for years, and it has only benefited the site.

While I am not necessarily against it, I don't like the idea of making a tab directly from a movie's music because it could contain significant differences from the music that is within the game. This is a valid reason to reject a tab. There can be small differences in music from a game and music from a movie.

Oftentimes licensed music is arranged specifically for a game. Because the website is called Gametabs, I think it is important that tabs are made with the game as the basis instead of the movie as the basis. I think tabs that genuinely use the game as the source are perfectly fine.

Barring a few exceptions, any content is good content.

I do not agree with this. There are more than a few exceptions such as accuracy, readability, playability, authenticity, similarity (to other tabs that are currently up), category (is it actually a game tab?), etc. The mods check every tab for these types of things before uploading them and will deny tabs that don't meet their personal standards. Occasionally, poor tabs will slip through, but it is somewhat rare now.

karathrow

Joined: Oct 26 2010

auriplane said

You could argue that intent matters. Trying to shoehorn a non-game tab in by finding a game that includes it that you've never heard of or played doesn't make it a "game tab", IMO.

Thank you!

karathrow

Joined: Oct 26 2010

Speedfreak said

So you're saying it's cool to post non-video game music (i.e. Bach, Tárrega, Weiss, etc...) in forums, both tabs and videos? With moderation of course, not intending to flood forums with that or anything :D

Not that is absolutely not what's being said at all. I'm not sure where you got that from.

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Karathrow:

Not that is absolutely not what's being said at all. I'm not sure where you got that from.

What? Really?

Karathrow:

A lot of Gametabs members are interested in Bach, but that doesn't mean that Bach tabs should be hosted on Gametabs. Posting a Bach tab on the forums would be fine, though.

I expanded a little on your Bach reference with the other composers I mentioned and was asking if you mean videos too since you said tabs would be fine. Sorry about the confusion.