I'll take a look at it. I can
Kiku
No Sympathy Joined: Mar 21 2010 |
I'll take a look at it. I can already see problems with the lead, I'll get back to you in around an hour. |
This is what you have for the
Kiku
No Sympathy Joined: Mar 21 2010 |
This is what you have for the first 8 bars of the acoustic guitar lead, which comes in at 0:13: e|------------------------------------------------------------------| B|--------------8---------------------------------------------------| G|--/7---10-10------7--9-----------7---------------------6-7-9-6----| D|------------------------7--10-------8-6~-----6-8-9-6--------------| A|------------------------------------------------------------------| E|------------------------------------------------------------------| e|--------------------------------------------------------------------------| B|-------------8------------------------------------------------------------| G|--7---10-10-----7--/12--9~-----9-------9----------------------------------| D|---------------------------------12-10-----12-10-9------10----------------| A|---------------------------------------------------11------11----11-12~---| E|--------------------------------------------------------------12----------| This is what I got:
Q. Q E E E Q. Q. Q Q. Q. Q
E||-------------------------|---------------------|---------------------|
B||-------------------------|---------------------|---------------------|
G||--7------10----10--9--7--|--9-------------6----|--7------------------|
D||-------------------------|---------7-----------|---------8------6----|
A||-------------------------|---------------------|---------------------|
E||-------------------------|---------------------|---------------------|
E E E E E E E E Q. Q E E E Q. Q. Q
--------------------------|-------------------------|---------------------|
-----------------6--8-----|-------------------------|---------8-----------|
--------6--7--9--------9--|--7------10----10--9--7--|--9-------------9----|
--7--9--------------------|-------------------------|---------------------|
--------------------------|-------------------------|---------------------|
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E E E E E E E E Q. E H
----------------------------|---------------------||
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--10--9--7--10--9--7--6-----|--7------------------||
-------------------------7--|---------7-----------||
----------------------------|------------5--------||
----------------------------|---------------------||And the harmony that comes in at 0:19: Q. Q E E E E||-------|-------|-------|-------|------------------------| B||-------|-------|-------|-------|------------------------| G||-------|-------|-------|-------|------------------------| D||-------|-------|-------|-------|---------7----7---------| A||-------|-------|-------|-------|--8--------------10--8--| E||-------|-------|-------|-------|------------------------| Q. Q. Q E E E E E E E E Q E E H -----------------------|----------------------------|-------------------------|| -----------------------|----------------------------|-------------------------|| -----------------------|----------------------------|-------------------------|| ----------8------------|--7---------7---------------|-------------------------|| --10-------------10----|-----10--8-----10--8--7-----|------------8------------|| -----------------------|-------------------------9--|--10----10-----10--------|| Seems to me like you're mixing the lead and the harmony together in some parts. Do you use headphones when you tab? If not, I strongly suggest you start doing so. In this song, the lead and the harmony are panned left and right respectively, if you use headphones you can listen to one ear at a time, which lets you hear each guitar more clearly. And overall, headphones let you hear a song better than than speakers. I can see you based this tab on your Ys 3 tab. I'm not saying it's a bad thing, but listen carefully for subtle changes in the arrangement. Ah, I'm kind of tired... and I don't have the inclination to check the rest of the tab at the moment, so anyone who wants to step in, please do. |
That's your favorite
hslesperance
Location: Walpole, MA Joined: Aug 10 2008 |
That's your favorite soundtrack? I'll have to check it out then! For the tab, you were spot on in some places, but others I don't know what happened. Here are some changes I made for the first minute. I think I changed every measure except the ones that say edit. Those two are still not correct, but I don't feel like doing them now. e|--13-12~---13-13-13-12----13-12-12-10-10~---10-9-9~-|-13-12~---13-13-13-12---13-12-12-10-10---10-9-9-17--| B|----------------------------------------------------|----------------------------------------------------| G|----------------------------------------------------|----------------------------------------------------| D|----------------------------------------------------|----------------------------------------------------| A|----------------------------------------------------|----------------------------------------------------| E|----------------------------------------------------|----------------------------------------------------| Opening rhythm e|------------------------------------------------------------------| B|------------------------6-------6---------------------------------| G|--6---6-----4---4---4---4---4---4------2--2-----2--------2--2-----| D|--7---7-----5---5---5---5---5---5------3--3--3--3--3-----3--3-----| A|--5---5-----3---3---3---3---3---3------1--1--1--1--1-----1--1-----| E|------------------------------------------------------------------| x2 e|-------------------------------------------------------------------| B|-----------------------------------------------------------8-------| G|--/7---10-10--9---7--9-----6-----7------------------7-9-10---9-7---| D|------------------------7-----------8-6~-----7-9-11----------------| A|-------------------------------------------------------------------| E|-------------------------------------------------------------------| e|--------------------------------------------------------------| B|--------------------------------------------------------------| G|--10-10--9--7--9--/12--9~-----10-9-7--10-9-7--6---7-----------| D|------------------------------------------------7------7------| A|--------------------------------------------------------------| E|---------------------------------------------------------10---| e|-------------------17--15-----------12------------------------------------| B|--15-15-15---17-18--------17-----15----15-13---------15--13-------13-15---| G|-------------------------------------------------14-----------------------| Edit D|--------------------------------------------------------------------------| A|--------------------------------------------------------------------------| E|--------------------------------------------------------------------------| e|-------------------17--15--17--18------17-18-16-17~-----17--18--16--17~---| B|--15-15-15---17-18--------------------------------------------------------| G|--------------------------------------------------------------------------| Edit D|--------------------------------------------------------------------------| A|--------------------------------------------------------------------------| E|--------------------------------------------------------------------------| e|---------------------------------------8----------------------------------| B|---------8-/11------------------8--10-------10----8-10-8------------------| G|--7-9-10--------7--10--9--10------------------------------10-----7-9-10---| D|--------------------------------------------------------------------------| A|--------------------------------------------------------------------------| E|--------------------------------------------------------------------------| e|----------------------------------------------12-13-15-17-15------| B|--8-8-8-8-10-11~-----9-9-9-9-10-12-15-14~--------------------17---| G|------------------------------------------------------------------| D|------------------------------------------------------------------| A|------------------------------------------------------------------| E|------------------------------------------------------------------| e|------------------------------------------|--------------------------------------------------------| B|------------------------------------------|----------------------11--------------------------------| G|------------------------------------------|--10-12-14-10---12-14----12---12-14-12-10---9-10-12-9---| D|----------------5-------------------------|--------------------------------------------------------| A|--5-7-8-5---7-8---8---7-8-7-5---4-5-7-4---|--------------------------------------------------------| E|------------------------------------------|--------------------------------------------------------| e|--------------------------------------| B|-----------10-------------------------| G|--10--/12-----12--7--12~---11~---10~--| D|--------------------------------------| A|--------------------------------------| E|--------------------------------------| e|--13-12~---13-13-13-12----13-12-12-10-10~---10-9-9~-|-13-12~---13-13-13-12---13-12-12-10-10---10-9-9-17--| B|----------------------------------------------------|----------------------------------------------------| G|----------------------------------------------------|----------------------------------------------------| D|----------------------------------------------------|----------------------------------------------------| A|----------------------------------------------------|----------------------------------------------------| E|----------------------------------------------------|----------------------------------------------------| Could you double check and revise the rest of the tab before I look at it. Here's an MP3 I don't know about you, but using youtube to tab is annoying for me. The time scroll on media player is much more accurate.
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Kiku, good point on the
BacardiBreezer
My life is a chip in your pile. Ante up! Location: NE Ohio Joined: Aug 16 2010 |
Kiku, good point on the headphones. I was using my ipod on a dock. Also, I have been working on a few other songs from The Oath in Felghana which I was going to ask your advice about. I've got a lot of Beat of Destruction done, but some of the solo is too fast for me. I'll get around to posting it, and if you don't mind I'd appreciate your feedback. hsl - oh yes, that soundtrack is amazing, especially the remake version. I appreciate both of you guys looking at it, I will check it out tomorrow as I've been drinking tonight :P again thanks so much!! |
Sure, if it's from the
Kiku
No Sympathy Joined: Mar 21 2010 |
Sure, if it's from the Felghana arranges, I don't mind checking them for you. Post them when you're ready and send me a PM. Though, be ready for harsh criticism, I hope you understand that music from Ys deserve nothing less than absolute perfection. ;) |
Re: Sure, if it's from the
BacardiBreezer
My life is a chip in your pile. Ante up! Location: NE Ohio Joined: Aug 16 2010 |
Kiku said
Oh I don't mind at all :P I totally agree, as they are amazing songs, and I am ok with criticism - I have only been playing about a year and I want to learn how you guys are so good at figuring stuff out! Here's what I have of Beat of Destruction. I don't know the rhythm at the beginning, and most of the solo is just too fast for me and really hard to hear in some parts. I kind of separated it into what I thought would be four measures, and I have a few notes written down but not 100% sure they are right. |
Re: Sure, if it's from the
Kiku
No Sympathy Joined: Mar 21 2010 |
Solo aside, looks pretty solid to me. The last note of the main part, which you put as fret 17 on the high E string, should be a full bend on fret 20 of the B string. The rest is good though. I'm not going to bother with the solo right now, just listening to it sounds like a pain in the ass to tab. And I don't really like the solo, it sounds pretty bad. I'll check the rest of your Illburns Ruins tab when I get the chance, including the acoustic solo. But, like hslesperance said, you yourself should go back and check for errors first. Listen with headphones and play along with the song, any dissonant notes should quickly tell you that you've made a mistake. |
Ok, I will try playing it
BacardiBreezer
My life is a chip in your pile. Ante up! Location: NE Ohio Joined: Aug 16 2010 |
Ok, I will try playing it with the bend. Glad I got that much right :P I was going to ask how you tabbed out the solo to Valestein Castle! I can't even imagine...I am going to repost Illburns Ruins tomorrow, got kind of busy today. Thanks for helping! |
I think auriplane said it
Kiku
No Sympathy Joined: Mar 21 2010 |
I think auriplane said it before in some old thread, but really, the best thing you can do while tabbing is to be able to hear when you've made a mistake. Even if you're off by a lot, guessing fret by fret will give you the right note eventually if you can tell when it sounds right. For fast songs and solos, when notes are too fast to be played along with, slowing down the song is a must if you want accuracy. I and many other people use this program to slow down a song without changing the pitch. It costs money, but there are certain... shall we say, less than reputable ways to obtain it, if you have no morals. (like me) I haven't seen a guide to tabbing on this site yet. Do you think anyone would be interested if I wrote one? |
I actually was going to post
hslesperance
Location: Walpole, MA Joined: Aug 10 2008 |
I actually was going to post a tutorial on tabbing, but forgot I'll PM you what I wrote so far and you can add anything you want
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That would be awesome! And I
BacardiBreezer
My life is a chip in your pile. Ante up! Location: NE Ohio Joined: Aug 16 2010 |
That would be awesome! And I do it note by note when it's slow enough. I had transcribe, but the trial ran out so I guess I need to find some non-moral ways to get it :P |
One thing I'd note,
auriplane
Joined: Sep 06 2008 |
One thing I'd note, especially when transcribing bass: you don't just identify notes by their fundamental frequencies (which you don't even always hear), but by their harmonics. Your ear is also better at recognizing non-bass frequencies, and even ignoring that, bass frequencies are less precise by nature (uncertainty principle). So! If you're transcribing bass, you should make sure the tone is turned up on your instrument! Transcribing is not the time to try to make your instrument sound cool. You need to be able to hear your own notes accurately to tell if they're fitting the song you're playing along with. Here are my (possibly unhelpful) notes on transcribing: For me, the basic approach is this: listen to the song, then play it back in your "mental tape recorder". You want to build up a library of songs you can play back in your head, so you can just play along with them without the original song going. Break it down into overlapping pieces, learn to play these pieces, then combine them together into larger pieces, and then into a whole. Once you can play the whole song, even if you can only play it really slowly, you'll know how the pieces fit together, and you'll (hopefully) have the most natural way of playing it. At this point, it should be committed to memory, so you can start writing it down. You don't have to work that way, of course. If it's really complex, sometimes I have trouble fitting it all in my head without writing it down, and I break it down by sections instead, writing down each section as I go. You can break stuff down as much as you need to. Just make sure the sections ALWAYS overlap, because the hand movement between parts is just as important as the notes. After you've written it down, listen to the whole thing, mentally reading along with it. This is the best way to make sure you didn't add any notes. Then play through the whole thing to check it. Obviously, make sure your instrument is in tune, intonated, not too loud, not too quiet, tone isn't rolled off (as mentioned above). So if any of that is helpful, feel free to put it in your guide.
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I have Audacity, but I did
BacardiBreezer
My life is a chip in your pile. Ante up! Location: NE Ohio Joined: Aug 16 2010 |
I have Audacity, but I did not know you could do that! Cool! |
Kiku - also here's Sealed
BacardiBreezer
My life is a chip in your pile. Ante up! Location: NE Ohio Joined: Aug 16 2010 |
Kiku - also here's Sealed Time before I attempted any of the solo. It seems to be in the same key as the old games so it wasn't hard. |
Sealed Time
Kiku
No Sympathy Joined: Mar 21 2010 |
Sorry for not replying sooner, I've been busy with school the past week and I haven't had a chance to sit down with my guitar and check your tab until now. This is the only section I changed: e|----------------------------------------------------------------| B|--15----13------------------------------------------------------| G|-----------12-15~------14------12-10----9--10-----------9-------| D|------------------------------------------------10---------12---| A|----------------------------------------------------------------| E|----------------------------------------------------------------| This phrase occurs twice in your tab, so remember to fix both instances of it. I also did the solo for you, though it isn't complete:
tr
E E H. W Q H.
E||------------------------|-------------------|---------------------|
B||------------------------|-------------------|-------8b------------|
G||--5--5(7)--L------------|--L----------------|--L------------------|
D||------------------------|-------------------|---------------------|
A||------------------------|-------------------|---------------------|
E||------------------------|-------------------|---------------------|
H E S S E E S S E H. Q H E E
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--L--------8b--8p-6-8s--10--|------------------------|-----------------------|
----------------------------|--10s-7-L--L------------|--L--------------------|
----------------------------|------------------------|-------5b--------3--5--|
----------------------------|------------------------|-----------------------|
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You can probably ignore these two bars,
I don't know wtf was going on here
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E. S E Q Q S S E E E E S S
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----------------------------|------------------|----|
----------------------------|------------------|----|
--5br---3-5--3----2----2h-3-|--2---------------|----|
----------------------------|-----5--5--3--5-8-|----|
----------------------------|------------------|----|
E H E E E H E E E E
---------------------------|-----------------------------10--|
---------------------------|--13b--------13br--10------------|
-----12b--------L--12--10--|-----------------------12br------|
---------------------------|---------------------------------|
---------------------------|---------------------------------|
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T S. E Q. E Q E Q E Q E E
-------------------------------|------------20----------------20--|
--13s-15-13--15b---------------|-----20b--------20pb----20pb------|
-------------------------------|----------------------------------|
-------------------------------|----------------------------------|
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-------------------------15----|--L-------------------------------|
E Q E Q Q H Q Q
--L----------20---------------|--20b--------20b----20b----|
-----20pb--------20pb---------|---------------------------|
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W
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Hey, no rush man! That's the
BacardiBreezer
My life is a chip in your pile. Ante up! Location: NE Ohio Joined: Aug 16 2010 |
Hey, no rush man! That's the solo for Sealed Time?! You are very impressive :P That part is very hard to hear! I'm blown away that you got that much, haha. |
Ok, I put your solo into the
BacardiBreezer
My life is a chip in your pile. Ante up! Location: NE Ohio Joined: Aug 16 2010 |
Ok, I put your solo into the tab, it seems we are missing a few notes where I put the question marks? I think that is the spot you said you couldn't figure out. Also you didn't specify how far the bends go, I'd assume full bend? (They sound like that to me, but I'm a noob here) For those of you who aren't familiar with the song and want to chime in! lol |
See, this is why I don't like
Kiku
No Sympathy Joined: Mar 21 2010 |
See, this is why I don't like text only tabs. I use Guitar Pro when I tab, but GP's ASCII export for tabs often fails to show important information in the tab such as how many steps up you should bend, like you said. Which is bad for lazy people like me who can't be assed to fix Guitar Pro's mistakes. :P Anyway, here's what I had originally, if you want to take a look: Do you have tuxguitar? It's a freeware tabbing software that can open .gp5 files. I recommend opening the .gp5 file with it so you can listen to the midi. But yeah, there's half bends, quarter bends, and full bends. The bars I wasn't sure of are bars 8 and 9. Edit: Actually, just look at the .pdf, tuxguitar doesn't show bend distance either lol |
Ah I see. I do have Guitar
BacardiBreezer
My life is a chip in your pile. Ante up! Location: NE Ohio Joined: Aug 16 2010 |
Ah I see. I do have Guitar Pro, but I end up making my tabs in Notepad. It's easier for me to read when I'm playing along because more fits on a screen. Hahaha, I lol'd at the "oh shit son what are you doing"!!! What do I write for a 1/4 bend??? |
Why can't you do bends in
hslesperance
Location: Walpole, MA Joined: Aug 10 2008 |
Why can't you do bends in text? If it bends up a full step you put something like 16b18, or half step 16b17. For a quarter bend you just put 1/4 above the notes
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@BacardiBreezer Heh, I just
Kiku
No Sympathy Joined: Mar 21 2010 |
@BacardiBreezer @hslesperance |
So that one would be 5b and a
BacardiBreezer
My life is a chip in your pile. Ante up! Location: NE Ohio Joined: Aug 16 2010 |
So that one would be 5b and a 1/4 above it? hsl do you have time to look at it? |
I must have misunderstood
hslesperance
Location: Walpole, MA Joined: Aug 10 2008 |
I must have misunderstood when you said "I don't like text only tabs" I don't use guitarpro, just powertab which tells the amount of the bend in the text
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bacardi, I checked a couple
hslesperance
Location: Walpole, MA Joined: Aug 10 2008 |
bacardi, I checked a couple of my tabs that use quarter bends. I don't bother putting the b after the note, but you can if you want to Just remember to put a note below your tab what that symbol means: 1/4 - quarter bend
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Guitar Pro is useful, but
auriplane
Joined: Sep 06 2008 |
Warning, RANT follows:Guitar Pro is useful, but it's so irritating! There's so many bugs or random limitations. I kind of feel like the only reason to use it is because everyone else does, so they like GP5 files. I wish it could do key signatures / accidentals right, or double-dotted notes, and I wish it didn't give stuff the wrong names like harmonics! The interface for bends is ridiculous, too, and every type of slide sounds stupid in GP. Oh yeah, and I wish it recalculated note lengths properly when you're using triplet feel and move notes. Often notes get cut off, because the previous note's MIDI note off extends past the beginning of the next note. You can work around this by hitting - + on the numpad on every note in a measure from left to right in order, which makes it recalculate them, but sometimes GP screws it up anyway with triplet feel, so you have to set note length to like 60% to keep notes from cutting off for no reason. There's so many key signature problems, too :-( If you change a pair of notes from E natural to F flat, and you try to tie the notes together, it turns them into E natural tied to F flat. You can't put accidentals on tied notes! For that matter, Guitar Pro is almost completely broken when it comes to E# or B#. Try setting the key signature to F#. Guitar Pro thinks a F# scale contains F natural and F#, and no E. You can change ALL of them by hand, which is irritating as heck, unless you use tied notes. Then you're out of luck. What if you use a capo? That turns guitar into a transposing instrument, right? Well, you can have a capo on one part, and a different capo or none at all on another, but Guitar Pro requires they share the same key signature; in this case, you have to pick which instrument has the wrong sheet music! Then again, it's only possible to make decent sheet music in GP roughly half the time, anyway. Actually, you can use a program like AutoHotKey to work around the interface being slow as heck, and speed up some common things like staccato. But a lot of things, which are easy in any programmer's text editor, like adding 5 to every note, or moving every note down a string at once, are still a total pain in GP. And GP6 has a worthless text export AND a broken GP5 export, so as far as I can tell, GP6 is mostly useful just for PDFs. RANT complete!
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Oh yeah, hsl, I forgot to put
BacardiBreezer
My life is a chip in your pile. Ante up! Location: NE Ohio Joined: Aug 16 2010 |
Oh yeah, hsl, I forgot to put some of that stuff in there to clarify. lol auri! I have GP5, with the memory leak so if I leave it open too long I have to reopen it...which I really can't complain, it was free :P |
BacardiBreezer
My life is a chip in your pile. Ante up!
Location: NE Ohio
Joined: Aug 16 2010
Ok so I attempted this, I think I got most of it right BUT that little acoustic solo at the end is too fast for me to figure out and I think I'm missing some of the rhythm guitar. If anybody gets a chance and cares, could you take a look and give me some feedback? Thanks. This game (in any of it's variations) has my favorite soundtrack, especially this version, so I'm going to try to do as much as I can!
Illburns Ruins
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NP4XtwH6giI