Re: Air out your beef with Gametabs
Kabukibear
Happy Strumming! Location: Palm Beach Gardens, Florida Joined: Mar 22 2007 |
Yeah, I can see how that would be frustrating. Though, there are plenty of us online, especially on IRC, that would be happy to take a look at tabs. I've helped out a lot of people as have others who want criticism on their work. I know it's not really what you're getting at, but it's one solution. |
Where is Tomo? :s
SalemJeanette
Save Your Tears. Location: Popular Land. Joined: Jul 03 2009 |
Where is Tomo? :s
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Little J. |
It's not necessarily that I
BacardiBreezer
My life is a chip in your pile. Ante up! Location: NE Ohio Joined: Aug 16 2010 |
It's not necessarily that I WANT the criticism, obviously we don't post stuff half assed or intending to be wrong, but when people rate it a 2 or 3, I'd like to know what was so bad about it ya know? Or if they're just being assholes. |
Previous beef-airing
musenji
Joined: Feb 02 2010 |
Previous beef-airing thread: http://www.gametabs.net/forum/topic/11278
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And then I realized that the chord progression from Chrono Cross's Another World is the same progression as the chorus from Peace of Mind by Boston, and life was never quite the same. |
Searched air your beef,
BacardiBreezer
My life is a chip in your pile. Ante up! Location: NE Ohio Joined: Aug 16 2010 |
Searched air your beef, didn't find anything |
That's the way the cookie
SalemJeanette
Save Your Tears. Location: Popular Land. Joined: Jul 03 2009 |
That's the way the cookie crumbles
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Little J. |
Maybe you should try putting
Ranulf
I will not join your gametabs. Joined: Oct 15 2009 |
Maybe you should try putting your beef in the freezer... |
So it's not that you are
Kabukibear
Happy Strumming! Location: Palm Beach Gardens, Florida Joined: Mar 22 2007 |
So it's not that you are ACTUALLY looking for feedback to improve, you just want them to have to justify a rating you don't agree with? Well, in that case, you're out of luck. Possibly, it could be made so that ratings could only be done with comments but I think that's a bit overkill for a hurt ego. I have videos with over 150 likes and 1 dislike. It just goes with the territory. |
^what kab said. I got a vid
StrangeJam
Da Manliness Joined: Aug 23 2009 |
^what kab said. I got a vid with like 389 likes and 2 dislikes lolol :v |
Everyone knows pride goeth
musenji
Joined: Feb 02 2010 |
Everyone knows pride goeth before a fall, so really the dislikers are doing a kind mercy--keeping our egos in check thereby saving us from such a fall! Oh, blessed, blessed be the name...
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And then I realized that the chord progression from Chrono Cross's Another World is the same progression as the chorus from Peace of Mind by Boston, and life was never quite the same. |
it's alright! like kab said
StrangeJam
Da Manliness Joined: Aug 23 2009 |
it's alright! like kab said it's bound to happen sooner or later lol, just worry about it whenever you have a high amount of dislikes than likes, or rather 1 stars than 5 stars, that could mean something |
my e-peen is all that
SalemJeanette
Save Your Tears. Location: Popular Land. Joined: Jul 03 2009 |
my e-peen is all that matters.
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Little J. |
I think the problem is that
karathrow
Joined: Oct 26 2010 |
I think the problem is that we get a lot of newer guitar players who come in and see a tab they can't do so they down vote it because it's too hard. Then those people find tabs that are simplistic or basic transcriptions and then rate them 5 stars. THEN, the regulars get all pissy that transcriptions or simple tabs are getting 5 stars while more complex arrangements/tabs/whatever get down voted. I think both people are wrong in that you shouldn't down vote a tab because it's too hard and you shouldn't down vote a tab because it's too simple. I like the idea that we have appeal to a broad range of skill levels on gametabs. Other than that, it's the internet and I'm sure people get their jollies off by just downvoting every single thing they ever find to be an asshole. Just gotta learn to roll with the punches. |
Oh cool, a vagina thread.
surreal
Eric: tank,godlike Location: Arizona Joined: Jan 04 2009 |
Oh cool, a vagina thread. |
I await further instructions
StrangeJam
Da Manliness Joined: Aug 23 2009 |
I await further instructions |
When it comes to
Frogma
Joined: Jun 25 2008 |
When it comes to transcriptions of reaaaally easy songs, and they are note for note perfect, giving 5 stars is all you can do. Arrangements can be criticised for a variety of things and so are more likely to receive some low ratings. Seems like a funny system.
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"Frogma is not a communist! He may be a liar, a pig, an idiot, a communist, but he is not a porn star!" |
ha, we need the Olympic
musenji
Joined: Feb 02 2010 |
ha, we need the Olympic rating system. points for how difficult the piece would be to conceive/arrange, and then points for how accurate, playable, and cool it is. Only, very few people who visit the site would be qualified to judge that, lol.
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And then I realized that the chord progression from Chrono Cross's Another World is the same progression as the chorus from Peace of Mind by Boston, and life was never quite the same. |
Then maybe we should do away
Kabukibear
Happy Strumming! Location: Palm Beach Gardens, Florida Joined: Mar 22 2007 |
Then maybe we should do away with the rating system all together if people are gonna get butt-hurt about it. Just change the star system to a simple like. If you like it, click like, if you don't, move on. Kinda like facebook. Seeing a high rating on your tabs is nice and all, but I'm not sitting there beating off to it and telling myself how great I am based on star level. |
Re: Then maybe we should do away
BacardiBreezer
My life is a chip in your pile. Ante up! Location: NE Ohio Joined: Aug 16 2010 |
Kabukibear said
What is your problem? Yes, actually, I would like feedback on my tabs. I'm pretty sure I clearly stated that in my OP, yet you've wasted at least 2 posts talking about how "butthurt" I am. It's pretty rude to assume I "beat off" to my tab ratings, too, when I never implied that at all. |
There's nothing wrong with
Bhael
Location: Newcastle, UK Joined: Feb 18 2010 |
There's nothing wrong with seeking to improve a flawed system. I assume the ratings system is primarily for the improvement and encouragement of the tabber upon the feedback of others. This being the case, it is both discouraging and unproductive to recieve a low rating without any feedback, unless of course the tab has obvious flaws that the tabber cannot help but be aware of after a low rating. Usually a criteria for rating is implciit in the everyday workings of a site, sort of like uncodified laws. When people brake the rules by rating for rubbish reasons (e.g. beyond their skill level, don't like the tabber etc.) people get upset. Although their being upset may be over the top, their anger does draw attention to areas for improvement. It also reminds people how to rate more producively. This isn't a huge issue (I myself overeacted last time out of shock :O), but it's a good thing to keep in mind. Oh yeah and calm down people :P.
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I'm going to rate all the
SalemJeanette
Save Your Tears. Location: Popular Land. Joined: Jul 03 2009 |
I'm going to rate all the noobs 5 stars and the pros 1 star
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Little J. |
Just close this thread...this
karathrow
Joined: Oct 26 2010 |
Just close this thread...this is not productive... |
Re: Then maybe we should do away
Kabukibear
Happy Strumming! Location: Palm Beach Gardens, Florida Joined: Mar 22 2007 |
No, you DON'T really want feedback on your tabs, otherwise you'd actually approach those of us who would offer you constructive criticism on your tabs. You don't agree with some of your ratings and you want people to justify them to you because you think, probably, they're just being assholes and don't really have a reason for rating your stuff poorly. It's that simple, really, whatever your overall beef is with the ratings system. The beating off comment wasn't directed at you personally. It was just a joke to illustrate that people can get too caught up in the ratings system here as if it were law and meant something rather than it is, like we've kept saying, completely arbitrary and subject to the whims and opinions of random users. |
Re: Then maybe we should do away
BacardiBreezer
My life is a chip in your pile. Ante up! Location: NE Ohio Joined: Aug 16 2010 |
Kabukibear said It's not necessarily that I WANT the criticism, obviously we don't post stuff half assed or intending to be wrong, but when people rate it a 2 or 3, I'd like to know what was so bad about it ya know? Or if they're just being assholes. To be honest, I've only been in the IRC a few times, and until you stated that you guys share tabs sometimes, I had no idea that was going on. Was I just supposed to know that? Yes, I do want feedback. I don't know why you're calling me a liar. That's half the point of posting them on the internet. |
Re: Then maybe we should do away
Kabukibear
Happy Strumming! Location: Palm Beach Gardens, Florida Joined: Mar 22 2007 |
I'm not exactly calling you a liar and if you look at my initial response to you I think I was fairly understanding and supportive. But when you said you didn't really WANT the criticism it became obvious, at least in my eyes, what this thread was about. And hey, it's fine to bitch about shit that pisses you off, but there's not really a whole lot that can be done about it so this thread doesn't really serve a purpose. The initial offer still stands, of course, but other than that: Welcome to the Internet. |
It's not as though the rating
surreal
Eric: tank,godlike Location: Arizona Joined: Jan 04 2009 |
It's not as though the rating system holds weight, Top Rated has been broken since the early days of the site. You'll get infinitely more wisdom by going up to someone you know can play and asking for their criticism. The IRC community is usually good about helping out with that. I'm sure that's been said already though (I never read threads really) I can tell you this however, as broken as the rating system is, I rarely see a spectacular arrangement go without a roar of perfect scores or, at the least, having below an average of 4. There is accuracy in quality, but the drawback is that many other mediocre tabs share the same index of approval, making it hard to actually pick up tabs based on nothing other than quality. Regardless, it is not an intensive rating system by any means. If you want criticism, ask how your form was, or if your tone was suitable. If I see a completely horrible recording with little explanation in the description, I see little reason to take it seriously enough to take the time and post a paragraph of what they're doing wrong. |
What's the tab in question?
Ranulf
I will not join your gametabs. Joined: Oct 15 2009 |
What's the tab in question? |
If one seeks feedback for
jitJoined: Mar 04 2009 |
If one seeks feedback for improvement, and this isn't directed towards just BB, you should seek ways to improve REGARDLESS of the rating, not because of it. People are trying to complicate the system when it works just fine. No system is perfect. Disregard the outliers and move on. |
Re: Then maybe we should do away
BacardiBreezer
My life is a chip in your pile. Ante up! Location: NE Ohio Joined: Aug 16 2010 |
Kabukibear said
I was saying "I didn't necessarily WANT it" in response to seeking you guys out in IRC. Meaning I didn't know that was even an option, and usually I get hsl to correct things for me or suggest, so I feel pretty confident once they are posted. You can assume all you want, I guess, but don't forget what it means to do so. |
Re: Then maybe we should do away
auriplane
Joined: Sep 06 2008 |
Kabukibear said
I like this
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I support a "like" system! I
natenmn
I haven't had a chance to trim my hedges recently. Thanks for visiting anyway... Location: United States Joined: Jul 17 2009 |
I support a "like" system! I even support having a "dislike" option as long as it is tied to a comment to try to increase constructive criticism. |
I agree with natenmn's
Bhael
Location: Newcastle, UK Joined: Feb 18 2010 |
I agree with natenmn's proposed system. It wouldn't hurt to attach an explanation to a negative rating.
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Or no negative rating at all.
Kabukibear
Happy Strumming! Location: Palm Beach Gardens, Florida Joined: Mar 22 2007 |
Or no negative rating at all. Do that, and we might as well not change anything. If a person chooses not to "like," a piece and they actually want to provide feedback or opinions it can always been done in the comments section. That's what it's there for anyway. |
Whoa, this thread got heavy.
tiganior1
The following post may contain mature humour, violence and coarse language which is not suitable for younger audiences. Parental discretion is advised. Location: Look behind you Joined: Apr 09 2010 |
Whoa, this thread got heavy. |
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SalemJeanette
Save Your Tears. Location: Popular Land. Joined: Jul 03 2009 |
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Little J. |
Re: Or no negative rating at all.
Bhael
Location: Newcastle, UK Joined: Feb 18 2010 |
Kabukibear said
Aye, but I personally would prefer to keep a rating system. That way there can be an easy way for people to assess the 'quality' of a tab, and also to attach to comments to convey their implications.
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Re: Or no negative rating at all.
Kabukibear
Happy Strumming! Location: Palm Beach Gardens, Florida Joined: Mar 22 2007 |
Well, it works either way really. I think a dislike that is tied to a comment would work as, if someone isn't going to offer anything constructive they probably won't bother to vote dislike anyway, as they probably don't care enough to be forced into writing something. So I'm okay with this too. |
Yeah that's the way I see it
natenmn
I haven't had a chance to trim my hedges recently. Thanks for visiting anyway... Location: United States Joined: Jul 17 2009 |
Yeah that's the way I see it too, Kabuki. Helps prevent people from disliking maliciously unless they actually have a legitimate reason. I mean, it doesn't stop it completely, but they have to care enough to attach a comment as well... which hopefully would be constructive or something. Also, this would still gives others the option to voice their opinion about a potentially shitty tab. |
I hope Bacardi didn't leave
ParhelionJoined: Mar 02 2009 |
I hope Bacardi didn't leave the community because of this thread.
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Friend of the pag. |
Heck no, she's too cool for
Nah, it's not that big of a
BacardiBreezer
My life is a chip in your pile. Ante up! Location: NE Ohio Joined: Aug 16 2010 |
Nah, it's not that big of a deal. I just wondered if anyone else felt the same way. |
BacardiBreezer said Nah, it's
natenmn
I haven't had a chance to trim my hedges recently. Thanks for visiting anyway... Location: United States Joined: Jul 17 2009 |
BacardiBreezer said
Yay! Now get on msn, missy >:-[ |
MSN is for chumps. AIM is
auriplane
Joined: Sep 06 2008 |
MSN is for chumps. AIM is where the real action is. After all, AOL is a real company. They bought Time-Warner for toilet paper--er, I mean, stock options! That's the kind of action I expect from a company which provides me use of its servers for free, with no hope of ever recouping the costs. Although, MSN does have snail smilies... ... Okay, MSN is where the action is. AIM is for chumps.
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all about irc.
StrangeJam
Da Manliness Joined: Aug 23 2009 |
all about irc. |
INTERNET RACIST CLUB
StrangeJam
Da Manliness Joined: Aug 23 2009 |
INTERNET RACIST CLUB |
only one can be the true
Jacob31593
Location: Tampa, FL Joined: Jan 04 2009 |
only one can be the true chumpion |
Meh, I've been playing Lufia
BacardiBreezer
My life is a chip in your pile. Ante up! Location: NE Ohio Joined: Aug 16 2010 |
Meh, I've been playing Lufia 2 all day. At the Ancient Cave sidequest and can easily waste 30+ hours in there. Thank god for music lol. |
BacardiBreezer
My life is a chip in your pile. Ante up!
Location: NE Ohio
Joined: Aug 16 2010
I just want to start by saying Gametabs is generally awesome, and the best site out there for video game tabs. I appreciate the hard work you've all done. That being said, is it just me or is it really annoying when people rate your tabs low and don't say why? It doesn't so much upset me if someone doesn't think it's perfect, but I would honestly like to know how it could be improved. We all put a lot of time into our tabs and constructive criticism really can only help you to improve.