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Eternal Wind with Auriplane

hashel

Location: Liège (Belgium)

Joined: Mar 04 2008

Sup !!

1st, thanks for the bass line i really like the 2nd part, that's funky ^^

So now it's time for me to sleep, but i'd like to have your opinion and advices about what i just recoreded, plz :)

Eternal Wind with Auriplane

i can't tell if i'm happy of it, or no ^^'

Yay :-) Opinions and advices,

auriplane

Joined: Sep 06 2008

Yay :-)

Opinions and advices, eh?

I like the first half a lot. You still need to set the intonation on your guitar, though, and I only keep mentioning that because it's *really really important*. Your rhythm is getting better!! The tone in the second half is a lot weaker than the first half. The contrast is good, but you need a different tone for it. What's going on with the guitar sound there?

If you can't play the fast bit, you should do a single smooth up to the 10th on the B string instead. It's more important to play it well than to play the "right" notes.

The song just kind of ends. Maybe that's the fault of the bassist ;-)

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Auriplane!!

Thanks :) i'll re record all,

hashel

Location: Liège (Belgium)

Joined: Mar 04 2008

Thanks :) i'll re record all, 1st part with a tone a bit warmer, maybe.
for the seccond part i think i'll not do the harmony with the 1 oct up part and try to find a smoother sound :)

And in the 1st part i didn't play with slides this time, just the notes, does it sounds better or it's equal ?

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The second part, the sound is

auriplane

Joined: Sep 06 2008

The second part, the sound is too muddled, I can't tell what's going on, which is why I asked. The whole second half sounds weak because of how the guitar sounds.

The first part is fine, just try to play a little more confidently (you have a couple "weak" notes, like you weren't sure of them), and try to play more in rhythm (it's overall pretty good though). You can't play the fast part at 0:36, though, which is why I recommended not playing that part that way :-) Either that or practice it until you can play it cleanly. Don't record something you can't play, substitute something you CAN play, or practice.

Playing slides only in the second half works well, because it's a contrast to the first half. Contrast is good!

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Auriplane!!

ok i'll do that :) Thanks

hashel

Location: Liège (Belgium)

Joined: Mar 04 2008

ok i'll do that :)
Thanks Master Plane !

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I do VGM covers and stuff at https://www.youtube.com/c/hashel

Eternal Wind Does it sounds

hashel

Location: Liège (Belgium)

Joined: Mar 04 2008

Eternal Wind

Does it sounds better? :)
I set the sound with heandphones so i don't know if it's it sounds great on normal baffles

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I do VGM covers and stuff at https://www.youtube.com/c/hashel

Much better, because the tone

auriplane

Joined: Sep 06 2008

Much better, because the tone in the second half sounds way more focused/clear now. Make the background a bit louder :-) Make the guitar in the second half *slightly* quieter. (That's my opinion, anyway. I'm no expert.)

It still sounds like you're sliding up some of the notes at 0:37, or something. Too sloppy. I'd substitute one big long slide for that whole run, or practice it until you can play each note cleanly. It was a bit better at 1:31 though.

You need to set the intonation on your guitar.

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Auriplane!!

What do you mean by

hashel

Location: Liège (Belgium)

Joined: Mar 04 2008

What do you mean by intonation ? like some notes quiter some notes harder byt hitting the strings more or less strongly ?

0.37 ? the fast part? i don't slide any notes at this moment :s but the part just before yes,from 0.30 to 0.37, but i like to sldie that part :$

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Intonation is whether each

auriplane

Joined: Sep 06 2008

Intonation is whether *each note* is in tune, not just the open strings.

If your open strings are in tune, that's a good first step. But if the intonation is wrong on your guitar, higher fretted notes will be *out of tune* when the open strings are *in tune*. So, you have to set your intonation, or every high note sounds like you're drawing your fingernails across a chalkboard.

http://www.guitarattack.com/repair/intonation.htm

Bad intonation ruins a song the same way playing without tuning does. You can also play with poor intonation if you accidentally bend strings while you're playing, or fret too hard (especially on lower strings, near the nut, or if you're detuned).

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Auriplane!!

that looks damned

hashel

Location: Liège (Belgium)

Joined: Mar 04 2008

that looks damned complicated, especialy in english ^^
do you think i should go to a music store to set that ?

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I do VGM covers and stuff at https://www.youtube.com/c/hashel

Yep! Ask them to do "setup"

auriplane

Joined: Sep 06 2008

Yep! Ask them to do "setup" on your instrument :-)

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Auriplane!!

okay ^^ i already heared some

hashel

Location: Liège (Belgium)

Joined: Mar 04 2008

okay ^^ i already heared some strange sounds from my guitar, like a "twisted" sound on the B and E strings on the higher notes... Hummm, untill that, could improve soem parts in the recording ?

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It's pretty good :-) If you

auriplane

Joined: Sep 06 2008

It's pretty good :-)

If you want more advice, you could work on your rhythm more, and on expressive things like vibrato. But probably not for this recording.

(Remember, I'm not that great or anything, I'm just trying to give advice 'cause you asked! :-)

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Auriplane!!

Oooh, I like the second loop!

BacardiBreezer

My life is a chip in your pile. Ante up!

Location: NE Ohio

Joined: Aug 16 2010

Oooh, I like the second loop! Can you do pinch harmonics? I feel like this song would do well with them, admittedly I am just starting to get the hang of them. Auri knows what she is talking about far more than I do lol.

i'll do harmonics on more

hashel

Location: Liège (Belgium)

Joined: Mar 04 2008

i'll do harmonics on more rhythmed songs ^^

Auri : i really like to have your opinion, you know music theory and you have a good musical ear
Not like my friends who always say "that's amaziiiiiiiiiiing" ~~
Even my girlfriend, who is pianist since she is 12, think that everything i do is "amaziiiiing", and she doesn't have any musical ear ^^'

So i like to ask to someone who will tell what's wrong :)

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I do VGM covers and stuff at https://www.youtube.com/c/hashel

Eternal Wind with

hashel

Location: Liège (Belgium)

Joined: Mar 04 2008

Eternal Wind with Auriplane
Here is, just tell me if you can hear clearly your bass line on bafles, in my headphones i can hear it clearly.
With your autorisation i'd like to use this photo for the youtube video :)
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I do VGM covers and stuff at https://www.youtube.com/c/hashel

how do you record?

jit

Joined: Mar 04 2009

how do you record?

my guitar directly plugged to

hashel

Location: Liège (Belgium)

Joined: Mar 04 2008

my guitar directly plugged to my Digitech RP350 (multi effect pedal), and as software : Audacity :)

Guitar => Cable => RP350 => USB => Computer => Audacity

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I do VGM covers and stuff at https://www.youtube.com/c/hashel

This is just my opinion but

jit

Joined: Mar 04 2009

This is just my opinion but the bass seems to be too boomy to me. It might be you just raising the gain on the bass or it's a tad bit powerful in the mix, especially when the drums come in.

You don't need to exactly understand but I'll try and do a quickie explanation.
If you look at the frequency spectrum on the below picture, sound goes from 0hertz to about 16000hertz
The bass range starts at around 40hertz to around 250-300 hertz. So what I did in the below pic is cut off all those unnecessary frequency. That will clear some muddiness. Also, your guitar at it's lowest range is about 80 hertz. So you can clear the distinction between bass and guitar where it clashes by lowering the frequency of one of the instruments(like around 100hertz). Honestly I just cut all the guitar frequency under 100 hertz so theres a clear distinction between my guitar and bass, and i'm putting head room for my kick drum. I'm definitely not great at it, but that's what I learned from experience.

Anyways, you don't really have to read my rants or understand it but on audacity you can try this and see if you like it better.

Again this is just my opinion but I would highlight the bass track, go to the effect tab, and either apply a filter or EQ. Remember, apply to the bass track ITSELF, not the full track.

There's already a HP at 57Hz.

auriplane

Joined: Sep 06 2008

There's already a HP at 57Hz. If you want to cut out the boominess and make room for the kick, you're looking at the next octave up--HP at 110Hz, maybe 24dB/oct Q=0.6 or so.

Original track I posted for Hashel: http://www.auriplane.net/windbass.mp3
Same thing, with HP at 110: http://auriplane.net/hp110bass.mp3

Ahh, mixing. The biggest pain in the butt in making music :-) I was assuming Hashel wasn't planning on doing any mixing/mastering beyond just, um, putting the WAVs together in Audacity.

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Auriplane!!

that looks interesent, how

hashel

Location: Liège (Belgium)

Joined: Mar 04 2008

that looks interesent, how could i do that ? my Audaciy i the 1.3 Beta in french...
Is it that ?
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I do VGM covers and stuff at https://www.youtube.com/c/hashel

i've never mixed anything ~~

hashel

Location: Liège (Belgium)

Joined: Mar 04 2008

i've never mixed anything ~~ i feel a bit lost with that :p

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I do VGM covers and stuff at https://www.youtube.com/c/hashel

Amen to that lol. Well, if he

jit

Joined: Mar 04 2009

Amen to that lol. Well, if he enjoys making home studio recording rather than quick live ones, I thought I would add my 2 cents and maybe he'll get interested in trying it. I just think the bass is overpowering the mix.

I'd probably lower the volume of the bass though. The drums are too low but that's okay because it keeps the intimacy between the bass and guitar's performance.

Mixing is a love hate relationship.

And as i mix with headphones

hashel

Location: Liège (Belgium)

Joined: Mar 04 2008

And as i mix with headphones that doesn't sounds the same way with bafles :o

So you think i have to down the bass and up the drums ?

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I do VGM covers and stuff at https://www.youtube.com/c/hashel

Hashel, I'm not going to

auriplane

Joined: Sep 06 2008

Hashel, I'm not going to teach you how to mix with Audacity because:

1. I don't know how
2. It's not really capable of doing most of it

But I did upload the track with the 110 HP. You can use that if you like it better. It's a bright bass tone, so the fundamental is closer to 110 anyway.

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Auriplane!!

i used both, with stereo

hashel

Location: Liège (Belgium)

Joined: Mar 04 2008

i used both, with stereo effect, just tell me if you think it's better, i enjoy both, if you don't mind, just say it ^^'
Eternal Wind with Auriplane 2

Don't worry, i was asking to Jit for audacity ^^'

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I do VGM covers and stuff at https://www.youtube.com/c/hashel

Hehe, nice. The bass could

auriplane

Joined: Sep 06 2008

Hehe, nice. The bass could probably be slightly quieter in this one. Guitar needs to be in front. (You can't make everything "balanced", or you get a crummy mix--have to choose what's up front.) But I think you've done a pretty good job so far :-)

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Auriplane!!

Re: Hehe, nice. The bass could

hashel

Location: Liège (Belgium)

Joined: Mar 04 2008

Thanks, that goes right to my heart :)
I ask many advices, i hope i'm not too much invading ^^'

i'll enjoy to do that again, with you or others member here :)
Now i'm trying with The Last Battle, but i think i have to learn how to play it corectly before asking collab :p

Here is the youtube link : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9Vl8zYg0Mk
If you want me to change somthing on the description, just ask :)

thanks again :p

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I do VGM covers and stuff at https://www.youtube.com/c/hashel

Oh, I don't use audacity

jit

Joined: Mar 04 2009

Oh, I don't use audacity either really. I just happened to have it when you responded so I just checked if there were a few useful plug-ins. Still, it's about the application of the knowledge you have.