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How should tab rating work?

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Everyone seems to have an idea about what we should shouldn't allow when it comes to rating and commenting on tabs. Let's get this sorted so we can stop talking about it already :p

Guests should be able to rate tabs
24% (11 votes)
Only authenticated users should be able to rate tabs
37% (17 votes)
Guests should be able to rate tabs but they have to also leave a comment explaining the rating
9% (4 votes)
Only authenticated users should be able to rate tabs but they have to leave a comment explaining the rating.
13% (6 votes)
Something more complicated just to annoy Ash
7% (3 votes)
Dude, I seriously do not care. All of these ideas are awful.
11% (5 votes)
Total votes: 46

Let everyone vote imo,I don't

Let everyone vote imo,I don't think a few random trollish 1 star ratings will ruin somebody's life~ not to mention I think it's pretty evident when a tab actually deserves 1 star and when it doesn't. same goes for recodings.

What is the point of forcing

What is the point of forcing people to use a comment when voting but allowing guests to vote?

If the issue is people putting 1 star and then no comment then now you just have anonymous people putting like an asterisk or something in a comment then giving one star.

On the other hand, if people don't care about troll votes then why bother requiring a comment at all?

I don't really have a horse in this race I just find the ideas somewhat conflicting with each other.

IMO, letting guests be able

IMO, letting guests be able to vote would be better since, as it was said in the forums, the majority of gametabs is comprised of guests and not registered users.
Allowing only registered users to vote however, might (to a certain degree) increase the amount of registered users. Though it won't have much of an impact on the amount of /active/ users on gametabs.
As for what kara said about the users leaving asterisks or something as a comment, you could always put a character minimum for the comments (Say...5-10? Maybe?) so guests can't just comment something like 'dont like it' and then rate.

If guests had to leave

If guests had to leave comments when they rated, the only ratings you'd get would be "4 stars, buy shoes from Salem Shoe Market, also viagra".

yeah well, at times like

yeah well, at times like this, you can only trust the guests ;3;
We could also remove the useless comments+ratings if they're unnecessary.

Let the majority of Gametabs

Let the majority of Gametabs vote too...

i demand more social

i demand more social liberties and freedoms and other nice sounding words, equality and whatnot for guests

wtf is this? Don't listen to

wtf is this? Don't listen to bacardi's butthurt petitions, things are fine they way they are.

Iono...it could encourage

Iono...it could encourage people to join the community.

dont we have enough members

dont we have enough members who joined to say one or two things and then left?

We'll have those regardless.

We'll have those regardless. But some might decide to stay. :3

yep, plz let them register to

yep, plz let them register to rate =),
even 1 poste in some Random thread from a stranger is intresting~

but plz dont force us to comment too >.<.
its more likely i wont rate some of them at all.

lazy and so on~

Yeah, I don't rate as much

Yeah, I don't rate as much since comments started being required. Sometimes I stick in a comment like "this is a comment" if I've got nothing to say, but I feel silly :-D

i voted the last option, i

i voted the last option, i feel like it's fine the way it is, if there was a system that can please 100% every single body i'd like to know what that would be really hehe

soundsandstuff said i voted

soundsandstuff said

i voted the last option, i feel like it's fine the way it is, if there was a system that can please 100% every single body i'd like to know what that would be really hehe

I actually gravitate towards this option as well. 1:

i put mine in for guest

i put mine in for guest voting, if for no other reason because my un-registered friends would like to vote as well

karathrow said What is the

karathrow said

What is the point of forcing people to use a comment when voting but allowing guests to vote?

If the issue is people putting 1 star and then no comment then now you just have anonymous people putting like an asterisk or something in a comment then giving one star.

On the other hand, if people don't care about troll votes then why bother requiring a comment at all?

I agree with this 100%. In fact, if it were decided to have guests vote, I would not want votes tied to comments. A simple look at tabs from when anonymous comments were allowed reveal why I say this.

Also, I'm not sure why people that are concerned with the Top Tabs page would even want guests to vote. This feature could turn things silly really quickly. I expect the issue of anonymity would make it much harder to get on that stupid list. All sorts of shenanigans could ensue. Of course, these shenanigans can (and do) still happen, but they are much easier to moderate under the current system.

Full anonymity is cool for things like 4chan, but not so much for an organized ratings system that is trying to function properly and accurately. I'd imagine this is the exact reason why other websites with ratings systems such as Youtube don't allow it either.

Also, I'm not sure why people

Also, I'm not sure why people that are concerned with the Top Tabs page would even want guests to vote.

If it's just about top tabs, then because they used to be able to, so the list is biased heavily in favor of tabs that were around back then.

I just think we should rework how Top Tabs works. Hehe.

auriplane said Also, I'm not

auriplane said

Also, I'm not sure why people that are concerned with the Top Tabs page would even want guests to vote.

If it's just about top tabs, then because they used to be able to, so the list is biased heavily in favor of tabs that were around back then.

I just think we should rework how Top Tabs works. Hehe.

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auriplane said If it's just

auriplane said

If it's just about top tabs, then because they used to be able to, so the list is biased heavily in favor of tabs that were around back then.

I just think we should rework how Top Tabs works. Hehe.

I agree with this. Top tabs need to be reworked.

The only thing I might say is that time seems to be a bigger factor to getting on the top tabs list than anonymous ratings.

I don't particularly care much about the top tabs page on a personal level, but seemingly a lot of other people do, which makes it somewhat important to me.

I get the feeling this is

I get the feeling this is more about people trying to get their name into top tabs then keeping the comment/rating system from being a cluster-fuck.

I think the idea of giving things a score is sort of pointless to begin with. It's the same annoying issue that props up in film/game/book reviews where people ignore the actual review and focus on the number. I think saying what you like or disliked is more substantive than 5 stars or 1 star.

I just don't understand why people equate their worth to some arbitrary number. If people want recognition for the work they've done I totally understand that (i.e. snail lady has 500 billion tabs and top tabs doesn't really have any of hers but probably should) but I think anonymous voting/commenting is just going to be obnoxious and hard to monitor.

Haha, I don't think any of my

Haha, I don't think any of my tabs should be in top tabs. I mostly just transcribe stuff. I think top tabs should go to people like Kabuki and Bhael and whoever--those people making nice arrangements :-D

I also agree with Kara and

I also agree with Kara and Nate. It makes no sense to contradict the change that was just made by allowing guests to vote, and guest voting would probably make troll voting even more widespread, which is what we were trying to stop in the first place, right?

i've never seen a troll vote

i've never seen a troll vote

I thought that was what

I thought that was what started this whole debate o.O

That's because either:A) You

Jacob31593 said

i've never seen a troll vote

I haven't seen and deleted a lot, but I've seen and deleted enough. And these are only obvious ones with comments attached. There is still that dude that down-rated every single Donkey Kong Country tab except for his friend's. I can't change that because his votes were not attached to a comment and I have no option to change things unless they are.


EDIT: The beginning of this seemed harsher than intended, so I changed it. There could be many reasons why you haven't seen a troll vote.

guests should be able to rate

guests should be able to rate tabs,
it was fine before you had to leave a comment too,
everything is fine, but just leave it
its just stars man, just stars

Sage words from a Lemon.

Sage words from a Lemon.

the most profound of all

the most profound of all citrus

no seriously though I think the rating system can only get better if guests can post too, but if you want to keep the "comment to rate" system along with that, that seems good too.

I changed my vote to

I changed my vote to "something more complicated to annoy Ash" because I think that like/dislike thing or just like thing would be cool. I think people forgot about it.

would this be readily

would this be readily apllicable to previously submitted tabs? or just ones submitted post-update/grade?

I changed mine to this,

I changed mine to this, too.

And a system like this could be applied across the board, Wayfaerer.

if you implement the like

if you implement the like dislike system, theses going to be another flood of butthurt with people saying "people just disliked my tab because they have a personal vendetta against me."

A "like" only system (aka no

A "like" only system (aka no dislike) or a "recommended" system that is open to everyone without requiring a comment could be interesting. Top tabs wouldn't be top tabs due to their rating, but due to the number of people that recommend the tab. Past tabs could have 4 and 5 star ratings be transferred into "recommendations" or something. This type of system would be based on recognition rather than arbitrary ratings.

I don't know if I'm for something like this, but is is a viable option.

i agree with you there nate,

i agree with you there nate, it would definitely be an interesting thing to try; the inclusion of the other side of the like spectrum would only lead to what we have here; incessant bitching, of which im no small part i admit.

it would surely be a healthy progression.

If it's an option, I'll

If it's an option, I'll continue my support for a like-only system. I still think voting should be allowed for members only on principle(if you care enough to judge someone's work, you should care enough to make an account), but a like-only system negates some of the bad effects of anonymous voting, so I wouldn't feel as strongly about that issue.

bring archard back ;-;

bring archard back ;-;

SalemJenet saidbring archard

SalemJenet said

bring archard back ;-;

Submitted by archard on Sat, 06/07/2008 - 13:58.

Ok, I've disabled ratings for anonymous users only. This should stop 12 year olds from giving random tabs 1 star for no reason. It will also allow members who want to give ratings but don't necessarily have anything constructive to say to just make the rating. I think if someone has some advice to go along with the rating they will do it any way.

The site seemed pretty nice

The site seemed pretty nice with votes like that, didn't it? Hmm. Maybe I should re-change my vote!

EDIT: Okay, I'm back on team archard!

"Only authenticated users should be able to rate tabs"

Now you've made me lonely,

Now you've made me lonely, vote switcher!

natenmn said Now you've made

natenmn said

Now you've made me lonely, vote switcher!

You changed too! Traitor!
:(

i apologize in advance if

i apologize in advance if what i say here seems arrogant or rude, not intended to be...

but

i think we should all get our heads outta the sand, and stop trying to keep this community so bloody obscure; all the users here seem to be concerned only with what other users think, which is a little one-sided; its like adding someone on MSN or AIM for the sake of filling out a contact list.

as a previous argument stated, making this site a little broader in the way of allowing GUESTS (note the emphasis there) the right to feel a little more involved in the community and the site as a whole by giving them the right to vote.

this poll is, i think--save for a couple thread discussions--the only time the fucking picket signs have been brought out of the basement.

roses can be smelled, so lets all use our goddamn noses hm?

wayfaerer said i apologize in

wayfaerer said

i apologize in advance if what i say here seems arrogant or rude, not intended to be...

but

i think we should all get our heads outta the sand, and stop trying to keep this community so bloody obscure; all the users here seem to be concerned only with what other users think, which is a little one-sided; its like adding someone on MSN or AIM for the sake of filling out a contact list.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

as a previous argument stated, making this site a little broader in the way of allowing GUESTS (note the emphasis there) the right to feel a little more involved in the community and the site as a whole by giving them the right to vote.

this poll is, i think--save for a couple thread discussions--the only time the fucking picket signs have been brought out of the basement.

roses can be smelled, so lets all use our goddamn noses hm?

If people are serious about contributing to the site they can bother to make an account, shit's not hard.

hmm, kara touche. i apologize

hmm, kara

touche.

i apologize (im familiar with the straw-man fallacy--didnt realize what i was doing there)

you are right though, certainly. if guests give that much of a shit, they could join the site.

my vote remains the same, but any further argument on my behalf concerning said vote or other has been currently nullified until a different argument is presented and i feel i have a with-standing opinion without introduction of a contradicting fallacy.

(-_-)

karathrow said If people are

karathrow said

If people are serious about contributing to the site they can bother to make an account, shit's not hard.

Sure. They can, if they want. By and large, they won't. Even adding a single extra click to an online process causes a pretty large drop-off in how many users go through with it. Registration, of course, causes a larger one.

Not that that's necessarily a bad thing.

auriplane said karathrow

auriplane said

karathrow said

If people are serious about contributing to the site they can bother to make an account, shit's not hard.

Sure. They can, if they want. By and large, they won't. Even adding a single extra click to an online process causes a pretty large drop-off in how many users go through with it. Registration, of course, causes a larger one.

Not that that's necessarily a bad thing.

I mean, I guess I just don't understand. Why do people want anonymous users opinions/ratings so bad?

The only thing I can think of is like nate said the top tabs thing but if that's an issue maybe we can look at that separately instead of destroying the commenting system.

"if given the choice between

"if given the choice between an apple and a banana, why not have both?"

wayfaerer said "if given the

wayfaerer said

"if given the choice between an apple and a banana, why not have both?"

I don't really think that's what we're looking at here. An apple and a banana are both benign choices that have no up or downsides. I think there are definite downsides to allowing anonymous users to vote or people voting without a comment.

-Voting without commenting doesn't tell the creator why their product is good or bad. This means users who make poor content do not know what is poor about their content or how to fix it so that they can be a better contributor. Conversely someone may have an extremely high rated product but not know why either and not be able to replicate or make more of what people enjoyed.

-Constructive feedback leads to better content which leads to a better overall site.

-Anonymous users can manipulate their ip to make fraudulent votes and inflate content that is bad while downvoting good content with either the purpose of trolling or making their content look better or what have you. If our content that is most visible or noticed is bad content, then it makes the site look bad.

-People who have registered accounts and are consistently downvoting tabs or doing troll votes can be removed and are identifiable. While users with accounts can still cause fraud, it requires an extra step and therefore is more work.

Wise words yo. That basically

Wise words yo. That basically sums up my thoughts on this.

wayfaerer said"if given the

DOUBLE TOASTIN IN EPIC BREAD